| Summary: | Column view is not available anymore in Dolphin 2.0 | ||
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| Product: | [Applications] dolphin | Reporter: | Peter Penz <peter.penz19> |
| Component: | view-engine: columns mode | Assignee: | Peter Penz <peter.penz19> |
| Status: | RESOLVED DUPLICATE | ||
| Severity: | normal | CC: | alex.danila.web, alexandernst, alvaro.mtr, aspotashev, bisrcacuo, bugzilla, derdominique, f.alexander.wilms, greenMan18523, hiwasarkawt01, ivan, jechtpurgateur, jimmy.kloss, jlunacek, jramirez.uy, jumpingjacknelson, kde-2011.08, kde, mani.zaeim, mat69, meven29, mkuske, mrix, nate, nicholasjestrada, pano_90, postix, pulfer, quentin.denis, random1123581321, reescf, romuluspb, rtguille, shawn.peterson, simonandric5, sven.burmeister, tim, uwu |
| Priority: | VHI | ||
| Version: | 2.0 | ||
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Platform: | Compiled Sources | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
| See Also: | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387455 | ||
| Latest Commit: | Version Fixed In: | ||
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Description
Peter Penz
2012-01-05 21:48:27 UTC
*** Bug 281229 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 269265 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 269941 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 276785 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 282642 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 285513 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 184060 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 205934 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 227976 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 267489 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 268591 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 274714 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 276464 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 277806 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 102379 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 265945 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 191948 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 259185 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 260773 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 274759 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 267325 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** Here is the text of Peter's blog post reply referenced in the OP: "The decision to drop the column view was not easy. I myself liked the column view a lot and used it e.g. for browsing my music collection. However the column view has obviously been used by only very few people but was tricky and timeconsuming to maintain. For a project like Dolphin it is important that patches also can be written by non-core developers, but the column view introduced an internal code complexity that raised the "entry-barrier" for contributors unnecessary (and also made it tricky for us core-developers). In fact there is no big Dolphin team that can take care about maintaining something timeconsuming that is used by only a ratter small group (and I count myself as part of this group). So it was a hard decision but in the end we went for having a maintainable code-base to be able to do the things we offer really right instead of offering things that we are not able to maintain." Hi Peter, thanks for the feedback, we appreciate. However, I just wanted to let you know my disappointment about the drop of the column-view, I really loved it! The reason I submitted all these bugreports was to make it even better and seamless, but not to make a "problem child" out of it... Anyway, you probably took the best decision and we respect it. Happy new year, best whishes! -Quentin Thanks Quentin for your feedback and I'm sorry that you are one of the persons that somehow suffer from my decision :-( I appreciate that you submitted all the bug-reports, without such feedback Dolphin would have a lot more issues. I still hope you'll like the improvements in Dolphin 2.0 and that you'll continue to submit bugs ;-) I have to admit that at first I was very angry with this. I mean: This guy marks my bug as duplicate of a newer bug and then says that column view is over? OMG!... But then I've read the 'why' and everything made sense. It's a shame, but, as we say here at Uruguay: No hay mal que por bien no venga (every cloud has a silver lining) Best Regards, Juan (In reply to comment #25) > It's a shame, but, as we say here at Uruguay: No hay mal que por bien no venga > (every cloud has a silver lining) Indeed. Especially since its bugs and not smooth implementation/behaviour may have caused the lack of users in the first place. OS X users use it a lot. I'm also sorry to see the column view go. As far as I know, Dolphin is the only filemanager other than OS X's Finder with a column view, and I use it almost exclusively. But I always suspected that it was used by only a small number of people, as UI bugs were slow to be reported and fixed. However, I respect the decision to remove it, and am very grateful for all the work that the KDE developers and community put into improving KDE. Yes it is not good news when in KDE we are used to have always advanced technology. 40% workaround: in konqueror we can use the sidebar tree and it is like a column view. *** Bug 256728 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** Dolphin's column view was one of two reasons I chose KDE... And I've only just got a machine capable of running it. *** Bug 291017 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** too bad ... it was the kde killer app *** Bug 291984 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** So my beloved menu which I use instead of the menus provided by KDE and which is based on konqueror in column view mode won't be there anymore after I have updated to KDE SC 4.8? http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/konqmenuhme3xtjl4o.jpg Sad news indeed. column-view was the only mode I used in Dolphin. Simply couldn't use any other. So without column-view mode Dolphin becomes useless. We in Mandriva International Backports will replace dolphin 2 with the old dolphin in our KDE4 4.8 repository. Dolphin 2 will be available as optional package for those who doesn't need column-view (I cannot believe many people don't need it). Still, I cannot believe such things happened :-/ Dolphin was THE file manager for me. Sorry, I thought Columns grid arrangement in Icons view mode was dropped because few people used it. But now it's called Compact view mode. The only thing I miss is grid spacing settings. Sorry again for my previous comment. *** Bug 296025 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** (In reply to comment #22) > Here is the text of Peter's blog post reply referenced in the OP: > "The decision to drop the column view was not easy. I myself liked the > column view a lot and used it e.g. for browsing my music collection. However > the column view has obviously been used by only very few people but was > tricky and timeconsuming to maintain. For a project like Dolphin it is > important that patches also can be written by non-core developers, but the > column view introduced an internal code complexity that raised the > "entry-barrier" for contributors unnecessary (and also made it tricky for us > core-developers). In fact there is no big Dolphin team that can take care > about maintaining something timeconsuming that is used by only a ratter > small group (and I count myself as part of this group). So it was a hard > decision but in the end we went for having a maintainable code-base to be > able to do the things we offer really right instead of offering things that > we are not able to maintain." After six years of not using a file manager under Linux at all, dolphin was my first try again and thanks to the column mode I sticked with it. So this was definitely a killer feature for me! Besides all that thanks for the good work. Although I fully respect your decision, I would still like to give some thoughts on your arguments. 1. Column view is not used by many. How do you know that? Most people I know use the column mode. People with a Mac/NeXTStep background would probably prefer the column mode. 2. Column mode is difficult to maintain. Wouldn't that indicate problems with the code base? View modes should be factored such as to be independent of core code and vice versa. As to the information to be maintained in the core, column view is no different from tree view. 3. Would a patch be accepted bringing back column view? If you find time to reply, I would appreciate this. Thanks a lot, Stefan *** Bug 333744 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 333744 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 335479 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 336563 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 377825 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** *** Bug 381187 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** For everybody who wants this feature back: we understand, and in fact agree with you! Column view is sorely missed. The problem is technical, not ideological. This part of Dolphin was rewritten 5 years ago in such a manner that made Column view unmaintainable/unimplementable. That's not an insurmountable barrier to overcome, but overcome it does need to be if we are to get a new column view. Patches are always welcome! I like miller column, unless add it to Dolphin as a plugin (optionally). We use a different ticket to track that. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 387455 *** |
