Bug 57234 - messages from people not in contact list should be filtered.
Summary: messages from people not in contact list should be filtered.
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: kopete
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 0.6.1a
Platform: openSUSE Linux
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Kopete Developers
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Keywords:
: 58212 58276 62163 70347 145241 146730 146731 (view as bug list)
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Reported: 2003-04-14 22:19 UTC by Andy Matheson
Modified: 2007-06-13 11:34 UTC (History)
8 users (show)

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Description Andy Matheson 2003-04-14 22:19:41 UTC
Version:           0.6.1a (using KDE 3.1.1)
Installed from:    SuSE
Compiler:          gcc version 3.2
OS:          Linux (i686) release 2.4.19-4GB

Instant messages from people who are not in the contact list should be ignored, or at least filtered. I have been getting instant message SPAM from random addresses.
Comment 1 Olivier Goffart 2003-04-14 22:49:02 UTC
Interesting feature. 
 
MSN has the ability to do this in his protocol. don't know about other. 
 
how that should be done? globaly? per accounts? per protocols? 
Comment 2 Andy Matheson 2003-04-14 22:55:31 UTC
Subject: Re:  messages from people not in contact list should be filtered.

HI,
	I think it should be done per account, possibly set as an option. I know 
that when I used to use Windows (cough) I would get a popup message telling 
me that someone had added me to their contact list, and did I wish to be 
contacted by them.
	I don't know if what I suggest is feasible, but it would certainly help 
stem the flood of spam messages. It's bad enough getting 20 or more per day 
in my inbox without them popping up on my screen too.
	Thanks for your interest.
	Andy.

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http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Comment 3 Olivier Goffart 2003-07-29 10:28:50 UTC
*** Bug 58212 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 4 Olivier Goffart 2003-08-30 16:56:32 UTC
This has been fixed for MSN, in CVS head, you can now "block" everyone not in 
the contactlist. 
not than this is a server capability, not a filtre client-side 
 
I think a filtre could be done in a plugin 
Comment 5 Olivier Goffart 2003-08-30 17:00:31 UTC
*** Bug 58276 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 6 Olivier Goffart 2003-08-30 17:20:31 UTC
*** Bug 62163 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 Olivier Goffart 2003-09-07 10:20:54 UTC
*** Bug 63819 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 8 Olivier Goffart 2003-09-07 10:24:41 UTC
*** Bug 63839 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 Casey Allen Shobe 2003-09-21 19:14:46 UTC
As Olivier said, this is done in CVS for MSN; and since this is only possible 
on certain protocols, I'm closing this report.  Feel free to open another 
report for another plugin, but make sure that protocol supports such an option 
first. 
Comment 10 Martijn Klingens 2003-09-21 23:54:10 UTC
Subject: Re: [Kopete-devel]   messages from people not in contact list should be filtered.

On Sunday 21 September 2003 19:14, Sig
Comment 11 Casey Allen Shobe 2003-09-22 00:05:38 UTC
> it's easy enough for Kopete to suppress the message and never show it 
 
Yeah, but that would be a Bad Solution (tm), because the remote party would 
believe you actually got the message since they wouldn't get a blocked 
notification. 
Comment 12 Martijn Klingens 2003-09-22 00:13:06 UTC
Subject: Re: [Kopete-devel]   messages from people not in contact list should be filtered.

On Monday 22 September 2003 00:05, Sig
Comment 13 Olivier Goffart 2004-03-12 22:39:59 UTC
*** Bug 70347 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 14 Mathias Homann 2005-08-20 01:56:26 UTC
when i get spammed by someone via yahoo (which is basically the only type of message i get there) i DO want to ignore him, and i do not care wether a camwhore in L.A. knows that i ignore her bots, or not.

also, i want to have a setting where people that i dont have in my contact list cannot crapflood me.

sorry for the tone, but i just had a 419 scammer flooding me via yahoo, and the way it is now, i had to ignore each single line he wrote.
Comment 15 Mathias Homann 2005-12-04 21:31:35 UTC
yet another spam run. this time on icq.
kopete DEFINITIVELY needs the option to block messages from senders that are not in my contact list.
and no, "this works only when the protocol XYZ does it itself" is not an option.
Comment 16 Christoph Wiesen 2006-01-09 22:09:42 UTC
Please add this feature. Simple as that: PLEASE.

Maybe it's considered a somewhat 'bad solution', but the way proposed by #12 is still a lot better than not having an ignore feature at all.

Somehow with bugs like this you get the feeling the people working on Kopete might not be really using it the way users do. Maybe you only use MSN, but others use ICQ or Yahoo for various reasons, and isn't it the responsibility of the IM client to be able to simply ignore messages? The native client can do it afaik.  Anyway my girlfriend is beeing spamed for the last two days and always asks me how to block contacts. I'm just waiting for her to quit using Kopete :(

And no matter if you care for that ONE user or not; this will be a sad day or KDE imo.
Comment 17 Mathias Homann 2006-01-09 22:31:24 UTC
well, i think sending auto-messages to people you choose to ignore is the wrong way (ok, maybe unless it's ONE message, like "user XYZ has put you on his ignore list"... and even that is not good because it tells the spammer "get a new account now").

If I choose to ignore someone (or delete him/her from my contacts list), it's MY decision. And in most cases that come to mind, i could not care less wether the spammer (or ex girlfriend or ex coworker that you dont want to deal with anymore, or whatever) falsely thinks i got all his/her messages, or not.

simple as that, two features are needed: a blocklist that works with ALL contacts (for the obvious reasons of protocols that don't enable you to require authentication before someone can msg you), and a setting "ignore messages from contacts that are not on my contact list" that also works with ALL protocols.

Face it, if someone goes on IRC to be able to chat with random people, he/she is likely to use a full-fledged irc client, rather than an IM client.

heh, being able to ignore people not on your contact list could even be a STRONG argument in favour of kopete over other IM clients (/me glares at yahoo which is the main spam source in the IM world for me)
Comment 18 Jörg Hermsdorf 2006-02-20 17:41:25 UTC
Status of this whishlist item is set to RESOLVED?! I'm just interested in how and when this feature was implemented.
Since I'm using KDE 3.5 (now 3.5.1) I get SPAM messages via ICQ. Well it's actually no SPAM as we're used to, but the messages are from people I don't know with sometimes very cryptic nicknames and their status is always offline. Either the content of the messages has no sense at all or it sounds like some social engineering tactics. So I regard this as SPAM. Anyway, this gets really annoying by time. Like others here, I don't care and even don't want those people to know that I'm ignoring them, too.
Why was this status set to RESOLVED? I didn't find a way to suppress messages from people not in my contact list, neither in the settings for the ICQ protocol nor in any global settings.
Comment 19 Mathias Homann 2006-02-20 18:07:25 UTC
well, ignoring someting IS a solution... not a good one, though.
Comment 20 Michael Donaghy 2006-02-20 18:52:18 UTC
Surely it should be WONTFIX if it's just not going to be implemented?
Comment 21 Mathias Homann 2006-02-20 19:02:23 UTC
the day this is set to WONTFIX is the day that i'm going back to psi and using the jabber/other messenger gateways.
and its not because psi could do this (to be honest, i dont even know if it can), but its the attitude that would be signalled by setting this obviously wanted feature to WONTFIX.

If the kopete developers think it is not a good idea, they could set its default to "disabled", but telleing the users "NO, we WANT that you get spam" is not very kind.
Comment 22 Ryan Sinn 2006-02-20 19:42:51 UTC
I have been CC'd on this bug since around 2003 asking for this to be 
implemented.  If I would have known 3+ years later I would still be 
waiting, I'd learn C/QT and implement this thing myself.

It may not be "WONTFIX" but in reality it is "WONTFIX"

Mathias Homann wrote:

[bugs.kde.org quoted mail]
Comment 23 Mathias Homann 2006-02-20 20:04:15 UTC
#22: ok, lets do it.

btw, psi does have a "ignore people not in my contact list" setting.. now all it needs are metacontacts...
Comment 24 Matt Rogers 2006-02-20 21:10:43 UTC
There was a blacklisting feature that was implemented for Kopete 0.11
and it would exclude those not on your contact list, IIRC. I can't offer
any reasons as to why it was disabled, though. This wishlist needs to be
reopened, in any case.

Now, if some of you feel somehow personally offended by the fact that
this isn't implemented, or it's resolved and but not implemented, I
don't have anything to offer you to make you feel better. There are more than
350 feature requests and more than 200 bugs that are currently opened against
Kopete and a 6-8 person team (if we're lucky) just can't get to them all, even
if they are popular wishes.

I ask that you please continue to wait a little longer. A lot of things
will be fixed and implemented for KDE 4, when Kopete should finally
reach 1.0
Comment 25 Jörg Hermsdorf 2006-02-20 23:28:59 UTC
Sure, I understand that completely... I was just wondering if this feature was implemented by now, because of the RESOLVED status.
Anyway, I suggest to reopen this request, because WONTFIX or RESOLVED gives people the impression of: "it's a very bad idea and we'll never implement this".
Leaving it open due to lack of resources (time, developers) is allright... I think!
Comment 26 Matt Rogers 2006-02-21 02:05:15 UTC
not fixed yet.
Comment 27 Jörg Hermsdorf 2006-02-21 03:48:09 UTC
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***
Comment 28 Ilia K. 2007-01-15 08:51:57 UTC
This is a VERY desired feature, at least for ICQ users and I've heard, that some other IM clients (like Gaim and Psi) already have a filtering. So I'm voting for this bug. IMO, filtering is a "must" for 1.0 release.

P.S. It seems like Bug #83841 is a duplicate of this one.
Comment 29 Mathias Homann 2007-01-15 10:28:21 UTC
imo Bug #83841 is a duplicate of only a part of this here. This here is protocol-intependent, and 83841 is only about ICQ.
Comment 30 Pino Toscano 2007-05-15 00:57:49 UTC
*** Bug 145241 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 31 Andre Duffeck 2007-05-15 09:20:02 UTC
Kopete trunk has got a privacy plugin, allowing whitelisting, blacklisting, ignoring messages from contacts not on your contact list and filtering for keywords.
See http://andredsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-proudly-present-kopete-privacy.html for more information.
Comment 32 Mathias Homann 2007-05-15 12:06:03 UTC
1. a plugin in "trunk" does not help the average user
2. nooone can tell for sure which features in trunk will be moved into a release version, and when, if at all.
3. the website doesnt really help. Not even a little bit of information how to grab that plugin from the svn and build it into a "release" kopete.
Comment 33 Andre Duffeck 2007-05-15 13:55:37 UTC
1. you are not very well informed
2. you should maybe think about FOSS and the people developing it a bit
3. i'm not in the mood talking to people like you any longer
Comment 34 Ilia K. 2007-05-18 16:18:06 UTC
Hi, Andre!
It's good to know, that someone finally addressing the issue.
Moreover, implementing this feature as a plugin adds more flexibility
to other developers as well as to the end users. Thank you!

What Mathias has meant, IMO, is that we, as an interested party,
should ensure that this plugin will be included in the next Kopete
release, so all users will be able to benefit from it. So is there
anything special we can do for this purpose (e.g. talk with the
mainline kopete developers)?

On 15 May 2007 11:55:40 -0000, Andre Duffeck <andre@duffeck.de> wrote:
[bugs.kde.org quoted mail]
Comment 35 Andre Duffeck 2007-05-18 16:25:27 UTC
Hi, the plugin is not a 3rd party plugin but it is developed in the main kopete subversion repository and thus _will_ be included in the next release. There's nothing to worry about...

Comment 36 Ilia K. 2007-05-18 16:28:08 UTC
Great news!!!
Thank you a lot!

On 18 May 2007 14:25:30 -0000, Andre Duffeck <andre@duffeck.de> wrote:
[bugs.kde.org quoted mail]
Comment 37 Matt Rogers 2007-05-20 06:22:11 UTC
Please be aware that by next release, I believe Andre means the corresponding release for KDE 4.0
Comment 38 Andre Duffeck 2007-05-20 09:36:38 UTC
Yes, should have stated that more clearly, sorry.
Comment 39 Andre Duffeck 2007-06-13 11:33:54 UTC
*** Bug 146731 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 40 Andre Duffeck 2007-06-13 11:34:17 UTC
*** Bug 146730 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***