Bug 293054 - game name "zigeuner" in german translation is racist.
Summary: game name "zigeuner" in german translation is racist.
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 111333
Alias: None
Product: kpat
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 3.6
Platform: Ubuntu Linux
: NOR normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Stephan Kulow
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Reported: 2012-02-01 14:15 UTC by Thomas Fasching
Modified: 2012-02-05 18:18 UTC (History)
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Description Thomas Fasching 2012-02-01 14:15:38 UTC 
Version:           3.6 (using KDE 4.8.0) 
OS:                Linux

The Name "Zigeuner" is a politically incorrect and offensive word for many people.

I suggest finding another name.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
no


Expected Results:  
no

OS: Linux (i686) release 3.2.0-9-generic
Compiler: gcc
Comment 1 Stephan Kulow 2012-02-01 14:36:24 UTC 
It can only be racist if it refers to people, but this refers to a game of solitaire.
Comment 2 Thomas Fasching 2012-02-01 15:01:00 UTC 
ok, so ill go shopping for some "nigger kisses".

oh no wait, the name for this cookie has been forbidden. :o
Comment 3 Stephan Kulow 2012-02-01 15:06:08 UTC 
The name is not forbidden, companies just don't use it because companies love political correctness - I don't.

"In Österreich wird der Schokokuss auch Schwedenbombe genannt, im Bayerischen Wald Bumskopf."

So get some Schwedenbombe - I'm sure, the swedish don't mind.
Comment 4 Thomas Fasching 2012-02-01 15:29:38 UTC 
maybe someone higher up in the hierarchy will care more about a racial slur being used as a game name.

you are obviously the wrong person to talk to.
Comment 5 Parker Coates 2012-02-01 15:50:38 UTC 

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 111333 ***
Comment 6 Frederik Schwarzer 2012-02-01 16:20:18 UTC 
There is no hierarchy here.

I brought this issue to the German translators mailing list and we will discuss it.

I am with Stephan here. Renaming a game (or an app in general) just because its name is considered "politically incorrect" in some country is not an option. But as German translators, we might do something. I am not familiar with the usage of the word "Zigeuner" and thus do not consider it offensive.

In case you want to join the discussion there -> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-de

But please consider adjusting your attitude to keep the discussion calm and to the point.
Comment 7 Eike Hein 2012-02-01 19:03:29 UTC 
FWIW, there was a discussion on IRC about this kicked off by Jonathan Riddell from Kubuntu/Canonical, and I wrote an email to the Deutsches Spielkartenmuseum http://www.spielkartenmuseum.de/) asking them for an expert opinion. Basically I sent them the German handbook entry covering the rules for "Zigeuner" and asked them if they know of any politically less charged name for the variant.
Comment 8 S. Burmeister 2012-02-02 00:18:08 UTC 
Let's rename it to "Sinti und Roma" then and make sure there is no *schnitzel or *soße anywhere in KDE. After it got fixed in KDE, re-assign to wikipedia etc. who still use the term for food without stating that whoever uses the word even for non-human things is a racist.
Comment 9 Frederik Schwarzer 2012-02-05 18:18:02 UTC 
Good idea Eike. Please keep us posted. :)