Bug 45556 - selecting files with keyboard in detailed list view mode is only nearly perfect
Summary: selecting files with keyboard in detailed list view mode is only nearly perfect
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Alias: None
Product: konqueror
Classification: Applications
Component: file list view (show other bugs)
Version: 3.0.6
Platform: Compiled Sources Linux
: LO wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Konqueror Developers
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: 82494 (view as bug list)
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Reported: 2002-07-21 11:48 UTC by jochen
Modified: 2009-09-08 16:29 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Description jochen 2002-07-21 11:43:37 UTC
(*** This bug was imported into bugs.kde.org ***)

Package:           konqueror
Version:           3.0.6 (KDE 3.0.6 (using KDE 3.0.6 )
Severity:          normal
Installed from:    compiled sources
Compiler:          gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)
OS:                Linux (i686) release 2.4.19-rc1
OS/Compiler notes: 

Selecting files only with the keyboard in the detailed
list view mode which I like to do
does not really work like I expect it to.

Try this:
Mark a file with the mouse.
Now press shift and cursor up or down.
What I expect now is that there are two marked files
the first one by mouse and the second by keyboard.
But what I see is that there is one marked file and the 
selection box has moved.
Is there any reason not to select the "boxed" file as well?
I cannot imagine any.
Could you please change this behaviour?

What I like very much is moving the selection box with the cursor keys
and selecting the files with the spacebar.
But this should not disturb the shift-cursor-selection-behaviour right?


(Submitted via bugs.kde.org)
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Comment 1 S. Burmeister 2004-05-18 14:15:53 UTC
This bug was fixed in KDE 3.1.x and now re-appears in KDE 3.2. Is there anybody working on this. What caused the regression?
Comment 2 Mario Hein 2005-03-08 01:02:41 UTC
can confirm this in KDE 3.3.2, to....
Comment 3 Emil van Galen 2005-06-25 01:10:30 UTC
It still seems to be unchanged in KDE 3.4.1.

I would really like it if the keyboard handling would be exactly the same as in windows, since this allows to effectively use the keyboard in the list view.
Comment 4 S. Burmeister 2005-06-25 01:28:33 UTC
bug 82494 is a duplicate of this one. Regarding comment 3, the behaviour was the same but changed to some regression. However nobody seems to be interested enough in this in order to fix it.
Comment 5 mail 2005-06-25 09:00:16 UTC
What a pity. Keyboard navigation is really unusable, one has to go back and forth to select files. This is one point where windoze is undeniably better. Is there no developer using the keyboard in Konqueror in list view?
Comment 6 Tommi Tervo 2005-08-04 20:46:07 UTC
*** Bug 82494 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 Alexander Neundorf 2005-11-24 20:35:11 UTC
The behaviour is as follows:
space: toggle selection of the current file
insert: toggle selection of the current file and move to the next file
shift+up/down: deselect what was selected before shift was pressed, select the current file and move to the next/previous file
ctrl+up/down: select the current file and move to the next/previous file

Alex
Comment 8 mail 2005-11-24 20:56:52 UTC
> shift+up/down: select the current file and move to the next/previous file

And this is inconsistent with KDE itself!
Please switch to icon view, ctrl+click on a file and then move around with cursor keys. Completely different to list view! The current file in icon view is always selected! Then please do shift+right or shift+left. Right, the next icon will be the current one and will also be selected! Apart from the obvious inconsistency, the behaviour of list view is stupid, confusing and used nowhere else.
This toggling with space in list view is quite nice, so without shift you can divide current and selected, but to differentiate between current file and selected file _when_holding_down_shift_ is no use at all, only confusing. And, you don't need it for the space toggling functionality. Selecting in list view with shift is a p*in in the *ss, every time again.

Sorry, but this bug is annoying me the last 5(?) years or so, far too long to stay calm.

Please change it for the sake of consistency and for the user who knows it different from some other file manager. Or, please, make it selectable in Konqueror's configuration. Just think about all those votes and duplicates. The users really want it to work the "normal" way.
Comment 9 S. Burmeister 2005-11-24 22:37:15 UTC
This is absolutely not an  wishlist item! It worked different before and I could not find any wishlist item, to change the behaviour to the current, so why was it changed, if it is not a bug.

Apart from the inconsistency with the icon view, which other file-browser handles it the way konqueror does in detailed-list-view?

But anyway, here come some examples:

Open konqueror, select a file by clicking next to it, press shift+down: The first file stays selected, the second gets selected. Bravo, expected behaviour!

Use that same konqueror-session and do the same thing again: Select a file by clicking next to it, press shift+down: The first file gets de-selected, the second selected. How come? The user did exactly the same thing, yet there are two different behaviours.

Another approach:
A user clicks on a file, or selects it with space.

Why would the user press SHIFT? Because the currently selected file should be kept selected when going up/down. If the user would not want that, why should s/he press shift?

Why would the user not only press SHIFT, but also up/down? Because s/he wants the current file kept selected (SHIFT) and the one above/below it selected too.

If s/he would just want to keep the first one selected and not the one above/below, then why would s/he press SHIFT and not simply up/down?
Comment 10 Marijn Schouten 2006-04-18 17:48:28 UTC
some developer feedback would be nice
Comment 11 munlinux 2007-03-10 19:32:05 UTC
Hello.

Looking at the original submission and the comments, it seems there are a couple issues here, one being the (original submissions) interaction between "mouse-selecting" and "keyboard-selecting", and another being the problems with "shift-selecting" on the keyboard.

Please see also bug 142791 about the discomforts of using Konqueror's "Shift+click" -behaviour. The report is mouse-centric, but the issue of "shift+selecting" has an obvious and immediate connection to this report. This is, in my opinion, a serious usability issue.
Comment 12 FiNeX 2009-08-23 13:50:19 UTC
SHIFT select and other selecting cases doesn't work well in KDE 4 too. Some will works correctly when Qt 4.6 will be available for KDE 4.

There already exists specific bug reports for dolphin/KDE4. I suggest to mark this as unmantained or wontfix for Konqueror in KDE 3.
Comment 13 FiNeX 2009-09-08 16:29:31 UTC
This specific bug anyway is not reproducible in KDE 4 trunk.