Bug 166350 - Usability: Task Manager notifications are not clear enough.
Summary: Usability: Task Manager notifications are not clear enough.
Status: RESOLVED INTENTIONAL
Alias: None
Product: plasma4
Classification: Plasma
Component: widget-taskbar (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Platform: Compiled Sources Linux
: NOR normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Plasma Bugs List
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Reported: 2008-07-12 06:15 UTC by Luciano Leveroni
Modified: 2009-09-03 13:56 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Taskbar theme with red "wants attention" notifier (3.80 KB, application/x-gzip)
2008-08-12 17:04 UTC, Alex Merry
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Description Luciano Leveroni 2008-07-12 06:15:37 UTC
Version:            (using Devel)
Installed from:    Compiled sources

This a really annoying issue for me. The thing is that current task manager notification does not get my attention. I'm using aMSN and when someone sends me a message the task of the conversation window is supposed to get my attention, but with current Oxygen plasma theme it does not. Previously, with the old theme, this notification was clearly noticeable: if I'm not mistaken the task item used to turn red in that situation. Currently, this task item has the same appearance as the task from the active window.
This is clearly a daily annoying issue for many of us, so I hope it gets fixed before the final 4.1 release :)
Comment 1 Chani 2008-07-12 19:43:35 UTC
I agree. the blinking is so smooth and unobtrusive that I've only actually seen it happen once. an animation that's meant to get my attention should *not* be unobtrusive. :)
Comment 2 Marco Martin 2008-07-12 22:13:38 UTC
maybe it could be given a bit more contrast, but it's also really related to the fact that notification seems to work only with certain apps and not with others
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164512
maybe also related with 
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160613
two things that maybe makes the situation to seem worst that it actually is?
Comment 3 Luciano Leveroni 2008-07-12 23:26:49 UTC
With aMSN, the notifications seems to work, the problem is it's hard notice with the current default theme, as Jonathan states in this post: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160613#c1.
With the red notification used on the old theme, I never had a problem. Now I have to take a peek at the task bar every few seconds to see if a got a new message, which is really annoying. :S
Thanks.
Comment 4 Martin Schnieders 2008-07-21 11:38:26 UTC
I agree with Luciano, It is very difficult to recognize notifications even with looking directly at the taskbar item. I am using Kopete with ICQ...
Comment 5 Alex Merry 2008-08-12 17:04:52 UTC
Created attachment 26805 [details]
Taskbar theme with red "wants attention" notifier

I've asked Pinheiro and Martin Marco about a more noticeable "wants attention"
look, but as an example here is the current theme with the uplighter on tasks
that want attention red instead of white.
Comment 6 Riccardo Iaconelli 2008-11-18 10:44:26 UTC
fixed with new theme
Comment 7 Luciano Leveroni 2009-06-29 01:38:56 UTC
I'm using the KDE 4.2.95 and the new Air theme is great but this problem has reappeared unfortunately. The tasks alerts are just not clear enough for me. The white over black of Oxygen, maybe a dark glow now?

Hope this get tackled before release because it's really annoying and the Air theme is just the best.
Comment 8 pinheiro 2009-07-18 22:35:35 UTC
Triky problem we can always put more focus on notifications, but we slowly make the theme less appleing and more like a road sign.
Can't say this is an invalid bug, and a bit more hinting would be fine, but just a bit more, I hate "ON YOUR FACE DESIGN".
Comment 9 Luciano Leveroni 2009-07-19 04:02:06 UTC
As a constant user of aMSN I hate not realizing that someone is talking to me :s It's really annoying. I agree that the design is important, but this usability issue must be the priority. I'm sure that there is a good design to choose that also solves this.

Hope to see a fix soon. Thanks!
Comment 10 pinheiro 2009-07-19 05:13:10 UTC
You see luciano the problem is that, every ones want theyr use case to be the one that stands out the most, if we make every one happy we end um making a screaming out loud desktop. IM not syaing we wont do nothing but dont expect to be alot of a difrence, Oxygen the other theme is by nature more vibrant and is also a defoult kde theme, also most kde apps have ways to set up more intrusive notifications acording to individial use cases...
Comment 11 Luciano Leveroni 2009-07-19 09:10:51 UTC
Understood. Thanks for your time!
Comment 12 Aaron J. Seigo 2009-09-03 13:56:03 UTC
one can use a different theme and/or apps can provide other notification mechanisms if demandsAttention is more subtle than expected.