Bug 121931 - Please extend the "ignore article in artist name" function to German article "Die"
Summary: Please extend the "ignore article in artist name" function to German article ...
Status: RESOLVED INTENTIONAL
Alias: None
Product: amarok
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 1.4-beta1
Platform: Gentoo Packages Linux
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Amarok Developers
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: 129197 135685 (view as bug list)
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Reported: 2006-02-14 01:29 UTC by sero4linux
Modified: 2007-02-14 16:28 UTC (History)
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Description sero4linux 2006-02-14 01:29:27 UTC
Version:           1.4_beta1 (using KDE KDE 3.5.1)
Installed from:    Gentoo Packages
OS:                Linux

I am very happy to see the "organize files" functions in amarok 1.4beta1. However, today I realized that dealing with German artists that have the article "Die" (like English "The") in their name is a little bit tricky. 

For bands with English names on can mark a checkbox to ignore "The" in artist names. Please add the German "Die" (and possible more articles from other languages?) to the list of "ignore articles". I guess there is no need to offer a seperate checkbox for every article - either on wants to sort the collection without regarding the article or not.

Thanks in advance from Germany - you guys rock!
Comment 1 Thiago Macieira 2006-02-19 17:51:47 UTC
Suggestion to the amaroK developers (if you haven't done so already): use the i18n() function to get the information from the translators:

i18n("Translators: list the articles or similar words that should be ignored when sorting a list; Example: \"The\" (The Beatles -> Beatles, The)", "");

So the "de" translators would translate that to "Der,Die,Das".

Of course, this will only ignore the English and your local language article. Asking for more than that is too much, IMHO.
Comment 2 Thomas Charbonneau 2006-03-02 05:18:27 UTC
The same for the french version with Le / La / Les
Comment 3 iago Ramos 2006-04-16 13:43:19 UTC
Hi, I'd been talking about this wish "muesli" on the IRC. He asked me to quote him:

<muesli>it's even more complicated because in other languages it might not only be "the" but "der", "die", "das" depending on the sex
<fromoze> but, it's always a finished list, no?
<muesli> well, yes, but it gets endless to search for all occasions. it would be sloooow. maybe we should use the most-common ones, if possible speed-wise"

I think if isn't possible to handle more articles I would like to switch off the english article arrangement in way to don't mess up the browser.

The spanish articles are: El / La / Los / Las
The portuguese articles are: A / O / As / Os


And, thanks for amarok guys!

Comment 4 sero4linux 2006-04-17 22:23:10 UTC
A first step would be to ignore just the English "The" and the equivalent for the localization in which KDE runs (e.g. German in my case). 

As a side note I can not imagine a German band name where the "localized THE" doens't refer to the plurial translation of "THE". Does anybody know a band that has the singular masculin/femine form? If not that would shorten our list quite a lot.

Another way to archive our goal would be the possibility to let the user define a list by him-/herself in a configure dialogue. I would prefer this way cause it is very flexible, e.g. a German addicted to Spanish ska music could just add the Spanish articles into the "ignore list" the first time they appear in the collection. This would solve the speed problem for most users cause one hardly has such an international collection that this list would get too long.

I think it is important to keep the ignore function for the English "The" cause this usally can be found in any collection.    
Comment 5 Alexandre Oliveira 2006-06-16 14:37:57 UTC
*** Bug 129197 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 6 Benjamín Valero Espinosa 2006-09-07 13:38:56 UTC
Although it would be slow, the customized list would be good. If not, English and the local language. And of course the checkbox to disable all that.

PD: In Spain, almost all the groups start with a singular article. Examples: The Verve, The Police, La guardia, El último de la fila, etc.
Comment 7 Tilman Vogel 2006-09-12 14:31:41 UTC
Please, do not do it only by i18n! My musical taste and artist collection does not completely depend on my mother tongue. And I hear more than only German and English bands: Spanish stuff, Balkan beats e.g.. Still want them nicely sorted.

I am very much in favour of a user definable list with a sensible default, which indeed could depend on the locale.

Regarding comment #4, an example is "Der Braunschweiger Spiritualchor" or "Das Wiener Boheme Quartett". No, I don't have them in my collection ;-)

Don't be scared by user-definability! BTW does Linus listen to music on the computer? ;-)
Comment 8 Seb Ruiz 2006-10-15 17:47:19 UTC
*** Bug 135685 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 9 Mark Kretschmann 2006-10-15 20:27:48 UTC
Sorry, we've discussed this internally at length, and there are no plans to implement this. It's getting too complex for our taste.
Comment 10 Tilman Vogel 2006-10-15 20:33:30 UTC
Ok, could you then please remove this English-only feature too, please? It's already a pretty complex special feature. Disappointed.
Comment 11 Janet 2007-02-14 16:26:28 UTC
The reporter wrote: "For bands with English names on can mark a checkbox to ignore "The" in artist names."

Please, where can I find that checkbox? I don't want the "The" to be ignored  and would like to change the default sorting.