Created attachment 177263 [details] here should be a straight line with 100 EUR, instead without units some weird numbers. Dates not readable. Absolute horror! I have a stock depot with 20 EUR balance, EUR is the base currency of the database. Go to Investments -> Equities and select the depot, then click "Show Balance Chart", and the chart that opens is criminal! A wild fluctuating chart! While it should be a straight line! The values on the axis are completely wrong too! No unit on the scales, date unreadable, not clear which year that means. kMyMoney is absolut crap! Wherever one clicks and digs deeper this software fails. It is absolutely shocking that such software is published without a clear warning that it cannot be trusted a millimeter.
(In reply to KB.claim from comment #0) > Created attachment 177263 [details] > here should be a straight line with 100 EUR, instead without units some > weird numbers. Dates not readable. Absolute horror! > > I have a stock depot with 20 EUR balance, EUR is the base currency of the > database. > > Go to Investments -> Equities and select the depot, then click "Show Balance > Chart", and the chart that opens is criminal! > A wild fluctuating chart! While it should be a straight line! > > The values on the axis are completely wrong too! No unit on the scales, date > unreadable, not clear which year that means. > > kMyMoney is absolut crap! > Wherever one clicks and digs deeper this software fails. > It is absolutely shocking that such software is published without a clear > warning that it cannot be trusted a millimeter. I am just a grateful user, so I will ignore your incredibly rude comments. I am sure anything you would produce would be way worse. I have been a user for almost 10 years and I am extremely grateful for the volunteer work that the developers have contributed. kMyMoney is incredibly useful and incredible software, especially considering it is built by devs spread all around the world! I do want to add that for me the balance chart, seems to work for me well- depending on what it was intended to do. I do agree with the rude user that the chart is difficult to read. I have always assumed the goal of the chart was more to get an overall sense of the direction of the account(hopefully trending upwards when it is an asset or investment account). This is the way I use it. If it was intended to be consumable and for the details to be useful, then it would need to have a way to set a time frame and a better date displayed. As I mentioned, I use the Show Balance Chart, as a quick overview. Then I go to the reports and run a report there for the specific security or account I am interested in. There I can set the time frame and all kinds of other settings. This may just be inconsistency with how the user expects to use the chart and how it was intended to be used. A person with the vision on what the chart was intended to show would have to jump in to answer for sure. kMyMoney Version 5.1.3-eef04f1
(In reply to jesse from comment #1) > (In reply to KB.claim from comment #0) > > Created attachment 177263 [details] > > here should be a straight line with 100 EUR, instead without units some > > weird numbers. Dates not readable. Absolute horror! > > > > I have a stock depot with 20 EUR balance, EUR is the base currency of the > > database. > > > > Go to Investments -> Equities and select the depot, then click "Show Balance > > Chart", and the chart that opens is criminal! > > A wild fluctuating chart! While it should be a straight line! > > > > The values on the axis are completely wrong too! No unit on the scales, date > > unreadable, not clear which year that means. > > > > kMyMoney is absolut crap! > > Wherever one clicks and digs deeper this software fails. > > It is absolutely shocking that such software is published without a clear > > warning that it cannot be trusted a millimeter. > > I am just a grateful user, so I will ignore your incredibly rude comments. I > am sure anything you would produce would be way worse. > > I have been a user for almost 10 years and I am extremely grateful for the > volunteer work that the developers have contributed. kMyMoney is incredibly > useful and incredible software, especially considering it is built by devs > spread all around the world! > > I do want to add that for me the balance chart, seems to work for me well- > depending on what it was intended to do. > > I do agree with the rude user that the chart is difficult to read. I have > always assumed the goal of the chart was more to get an overall sense of the > direction of the account(hopefully trending upwards when it is an asset or > investment account). This is the way I use it. > If it was intended to be consumable and for the details to be useful, then > it would need to have a way to set a time frame and a better date displayed. > > As I mentioned, I use the Show Balance Chart, as a quick overview. Then I go > to the reports and run a report there for the specific security or account I > am interested in. There I can set the time frame and all kinds of other > settings. > > This may just be inconsistency with how the user expects to use the chart > and how it was intended to be used. A person with the vision on what the > chart was intended to show would have to jump in to answer for sure. > > kMyMoney Version 5.1.3-eef04f1 Jesse, you may confuse lip service with being rude, and probably this attitude is the cause that kMyMoney is a dangerous piece of software. Also you may confuse FOSS with delivering crap. kMyMoney gives itself the title "The BEST Pesonal Finance Manager" which untrue and dangerous! More than 2 years since the last update, completely outdated documentation, basically every dialog has failures, completely wrong charts, online rates updates not working, and that an accounting software produces so wrong reports is schocking. This needs to be labeled as "unmaintained experimental undocumented and beta software for people who are happy to experiment with dual book accounting. Everything else cannot be responsibly said about this crap! I wished this to be different, but after two years and tens of hours of researching, trying, contributing this is the sad status and luring people in with the completely misleading title and website is a shame! You cannot trust any of the reports, sums, lists. For two years I ran kmymoney parallel to xls and kmymoney is so terribly wrong that i am shocked! 50% higher sums which definitely are complete nonsense! Your attitude is the problem, the lip service, and agreement to accept crap is delivered and wrongly labeled because it is made by volunteers!
Most users understand what KMM is and when they find an issue they report the bug here and help the developers track it down and correct it. As a long term user I have found the developers very helpful and very appreciative when I have reported problems. Every once in a while someone tries your approach and it never works very well. I doubt you will get any feedback from the developers. Personally I never used the "Show Balance Chart" that you are having a problem with. It took me a while to figure out how to open it since your explanation was incomplete. See how hard it is to document things perfectly? Seems like you should be asking for it to be in the right click menu for the individual investments. I compile KMM from the source code and you could not be more wrong that no development has been done in more than 2 years. They have been working on a new version (5.2) for many years and released the last update to the current release (5.1) over 2 years ago. I believe there have been some patches to the current release version since the last release but their focus is on releasing the new version (5.2). I believe you can find the latest test version (5.2) for Windows but I run it on Linux and do not remember where you get those. Had you asked nicely, you probably would have gotten help finding it. Be careful using it since you seem to be allergic to software bugs. I doubt there have been any changes to the show balance chart since most of the work has been on the ledger. The chart you are complaining about does not look correct in 5.1 on my system. Once 5.2 is released I suspect they may have some time to correct it. It's been very clear for the close to 20 years that I have been using KMM that it is not great at handling investments and I'm hoping when things settled down the developers will have time to improve that area. Without specifics and an example KMM file, your other complaints are impossible to comment on or address. I think the Windows version can have problems that do not exist in the Linux version so that might be part of the problem. My reports have always been accurate and I use them for my taxes every year. They always match my tax documents unless I make a data entry error. As far as KMM being dangerous, it has never given me as much as a paper cut. If you think hyperbole is going to help, I think you will be disappointed. To be clear, I am a user and have found KMM a very useful tool for almost 20 years. I was an Microsoft Money user before that. If you don't like it, try something else. I have tried a few other programs in the past and I have not found any that work as well as KMM for my use. I know, I know, my attitude is the problem. I figure you will need to get the last word in and then you can move on to GnuCash. I'm sure they will enjoy your bug reports over there. I would not stay up late waiting for any more responses here.
(In reply to Brendan from comment #3) > Most users understand what KMM is and when they find an issue they report > the bug here and help the developers track it down and correct it. As a long > term user I have found the developers very helpful and very appreciative > when I have reported problems. Every once in a while someone tries your > approach and it never works very well. I doubt you will get any feedback > from the developers. > > Personally I never used the "Show Balance Chart" that you are having a > problem with. It took me a while to figure out how to open it since your > explanation was incomplete. See how hard it is to document things perfectly? > Seems like you should be asking for it to be in the right click menu for the > individual investments. > > I compile KMM from the source code and you could not be more wrong that no > development has been done in more than 2 years. They have been working on a > new version (5.2) for many years and released the last update to the current > release (5.1) over 2 years ago. I believe there have been some patches to > the current release version since the last release but their focus is on > releasing the new version (5.2). I believe you can find the latest test > version (5.2) for Windows but I run it on Linux and do not remember where > you get those. Had you asked nicely, you probably would have gotten help > finding it. Be careful using it since you seem to be allergic to software > bugs. I doubt there have been any changes to the show balance chart since > most of the work has been on the ledger. > > The chart you are complaining about does not look correct in 5.1 on my > system. Once 5.2 is released I suspect they may have some time to correct > it. It's been very clear for the close to 20 years that I have been using > KMM that it is not great at handling investments and I'm hoping when things > settled down the developers will have time to improve that area. > > Without specifics and an example KMM file, your other complaints are > impossible to comment on or address. I think the Windows version can have > problems that do not exist in the Linux version so that might be part of the > problem. My reports have always been accurate and I use them for my taxes > every year. They always match my tax documents unless I make a data entry > error. > > As far as KMM being dangerous, it has never given me as much as a paper cut. > If you think hyperbole is going to help, I think you will be disappointed. > > To be clear, I am a user and have found KMM a very useful tool for almost 20 > years. I was an Microsoft Money user before that. If you don't like it, try > something else. I have tried a few other programs in the past and I have not > found any that work as well as KMM for my use. > > I know, I know, my attitude is the problem. I figure you will need to get > the last word in and then you can move on to GnuCash. I'm sure they will > enjoy your bug reports over there. I would not stay up late waiting for any > more responses here. Agree, your attitude is the problem, again! Wrongly defending a completely buggy piece of experimental software that is let on the public without warning but falsely claiming to be the BEST. I am happy things work out for you, dont use foreign currencies then, because this may completely change your perception. They add up plain values without conversion into base rates. How anyone can even think of releasing such crap as accounting software is absolutely shocking! As if a doctor has never heard of fever. Label it as students playground, experimental, warnings - fine, but none of this happens, rather they advertise this crap as "The BEST" which is insane! Your attitude to please is well understood, but thats not my way, and i hope they will now serve you even better knowing your obedience. Getting answeres here does not happen, just see the regularly popping up difficulties with FX and stock rate updates. They do not even bother to explain how to repair the settings when they are broken again, need to be a software developer of 20year experience to understand their gibberish. Nope, there is no progress, 0! Nothing on the website, no information, no release plan, no hint on daily builds or other === ZERO! Again, experimental closed community playground, but nothing for the public. They have a documentation manager - jack ostroff - to whom i had contact. And cannot even update a website? A job of 10 minutes? Sorry, again, no progress, ZERO! This is community building? By protecting crap and sweettalking complete failure? Probably in your obedient world thats fine, but a community would not agree as we see 10++ years old bugs, complete default on releases, complete default on response, complete default on documentation. Thats the sure way to kill a project, and nothing less! Thanks for worrying about responses on my posts - i don't, there were NEVER any useful answers, just bla bla of the above sort. Potential users need to be warned of that crap - not to waste time building up a database just to find out that nothing works and reporting is ultimate crap, and announced functions are not even remotely implemented (access to bank account details for example).
> Your attitude to please is well understood, but thats not my way >... Do you find your way to be effective? Does it often bring about the desired result? An observation that has helped me in interacting with others: I can't change others, I can only change myself. If I'm not happy with the results, I can change my way, I can choose not to interact, I can try to influence others, but I only directly control myself.