Bug 47882 - Mime tree shouldn't be visible by default
Summary: Mime tree shouldn't be visible by default
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: kmail
Classification: Applications
Component: keys and menus (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Platform: Compiled Sources Linux
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: kdepim bugs
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Keywords:
: 50564 75053 (view as bug list)
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Reported: 2002-09-15 11:23 UTC by Unknown
Modified: 2009-08-20 00:58 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description Andrea Aime 2002-09-15 11:23:31 UTC
Version:            (using KDE Devel)
Installed from:    Compiled sources
OS:          Linux

In my opinion the MIME tree should never
be shown by default, since it's something
uncommon in mail readers, waste screen
space and most important will not be understood
by a normal end user (one that only wants to
read mail, not see the message structure). I think
a button, shortcut or the like to pop it up
would be more useful (I know about the SMART
option, but with this sometimes the MIME
tree appears, and the end user ask himself...
what's that thing?)
Comment 1 Marc Mutz 2002-09-15 14:24:07 UTC
> In my opinion the MIME tree should never
> be shown by default, since it's something
> uncommon in mail readers, waste screen
> space and most important will not be understood
> by a normal end user

So we should disable the attachment list in the composer, too? ;-)

Don't you think they are similar enough that the user will grok the one based on
the other?

Marc
Comment 2 Andrea Aime 2002-09-21 15:41:10 UTC
Mmm, but they're different and the MIME tree is eating  
too much space even on my 17" screen... the similarity 
is not the key point, when you compose a message you 
want to be sure that attachments are there, so it's important 
to see them, but when reading e-mail most people don't care 
about the internal message structure. When I see a message 
I just wanna read it, not be distracted by how the internal 
message structure 
Comment 3 Frederik Himpe 2004-04-22 16:59:36 UTC
I was about to post the same wishlist. The structure viewer makes no sense for non-technical users, and even I (a programmer) have had it disabled for several months, without having missed it even for a second.

Some reasons:
- The structure viewer is not necessary for accessing the content of the mail. I can read my mails just fine, even when they are in HTML. I can perfectly access attachments without needing the structure viewer.

- It is completely uncomprehensible by the avarage, non-technical user: The average user does not know about MIME, different content parts and headers. Showing information they don't understand is only confusing, especially because it offers no added value for them.
Comment 4 Alycia &Michael 2004-04-22 17:18:39 UTC
I'd agree - I never use it - what would be more useful is the threaded message 
representation especially if it could show you new mail at any point on the 
thread

Michael

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> ------- Additional Comments From fhimpe pandora be  2004-04-22 16:59
> ------- I was about to post the same wishlist. The structure viewer makes
> no sense for non-technical users, and even I (a programmer) have had it
> disabled for several months, without having missed it even for a second.
>
> Some reasons:
> - The structure viewer is not necessary for accessing the content of the
> mail. I can read my mails just fine, even when they are in HTML. I can
> perfectly access attachments without needing the structure viewer.
>
> - It is completely uncomprehensible by the avarage, non-technical user: The
> average user does not know about MIME, different content parts and headers.
> Showing information they don't understand is only confusing, especially
> because it offers no added value for them.
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Comment 5 Stephan Kulow 2004-05-25 09:26:25 UTC
Replaced aaime@libero.it with null@kde.org due to bounces by reporter
Comment 6 Tom Albers 2004-07-31 01:45:48 UTC
*** Bug 50564 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 7 Tom Albers 2004-07-31 01:48:54 UTC
*** Bug 75053 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 8 Tom Albers 2004-10-26 16:44:41 UTC
I personally support this wish: make it possible to turn the message structure viewer on by using a shortcut and/or an icon in a toolbar (both optional of course). ATM there is no shortcut possible and no icon available to put in a toolbar. 
Comment 9 Frederik Himpe 2008-06-04 21:00:21 UTC
Would not it be the right time to finally change the default setting for kde 4.1 please?
Comment 10 Thomas McGuire 2009-08-20 00:58:11 UTC
The message structure viewer is now hidden by default, starting with KDE 4.4. It can be enabled with the context menu or the View menu.