Bug 441647 - why KDE needs Juk if we have Amarok?
Summary: why KDE needs Juk if we have Amarok?
Status: CLOSED NOT A BUG
Alias: None
Product: juk
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 21.08.0
Platform: Kubuntu Linux
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Scott Wheeler
URL:
Keywords:
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2021-08-28 10:24 UTC by empyreal
Modified: 2021-08-28 15:06 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

See Also:
Latest Commit:
Version Fixed In:
Sentry Crash Report:


Attachments

Note You need to log in before you can comment on or make changes to this bug.
Description empyreal 2021-08-28 10:24:18 UTC
Why KDE needs such thing as buggy Juk, if there is far more superior alternative? Amarok is old well maintained player. Why waste human resources on joke software if you already have better product?
Comment 1 Nate Graham 2021-08-28 11:54:53 UTC
This is borderline trolling.

Stop it.
Comment 2 empyreal 2021-08-28 11:56:21 UTC
Not trolling. I am serious. But if you do not discuss such things, I'll stop.
Comment 3 Nate Graham 2021-08-28 11:58:33 UTC
> Why waste human resources on joke software

This is not the way a normal person communicates things if they want a productive discussion; it's the way trolls discuss things. If you think this kind of thing is normal, then you need to re-calibrate your definition of normal. I'm glad you don't self-identify as s troll. So now you need to stop communicating in the way trolls do.
Comment 4 empyreal 2021-08-28 12:57:12 UTC
It may sound harsh, but...
KDE is best front-end for Linux core.
This suite should include best applications available.
And what do we have in repositories and official page?
Let application mature, then add it to official site.
Juk could be understood if it has at least cool concept as Elisa.
Elisa is buggy, but it’s fresh simple cross-platform player in lineup.
Promote best, hide worse. Who makes global decisions concerning apps?
Comment 5 Nate Graham 2021-08-28 14:08:28 UTC
Nobody. There is no central authority to make that kind of decision. We follow the philosophy that ultimately the best apps will bubble to the top. JuK is not abandoned, but it's lightly developed. Same with Amarok. But we can't just hide them entirely, because they're not abandoned.

We could create a curated list of the best KDE apps, but of course what constitutes the best? My opinion? Yours? A vote of the KDE e.V. membership?

KDE is a big important organization, I agree. Our size, scope, and reach means that we need to carefully consider everything before we do something like this.

Regardless, the bug tracker is an inappropriate place to have this discussion as it isn't about a bug in JuK. If you wish to pursue this topic further, an email to the kde-community@kde.org mailing list might be amore appropriate place.
Comment 6 empyreal 2021-08-28 15:06:58 UTC
Juk looks and feels like abandoned. Amarok is definitely good and stable. I do not have any problems with it. Lacks some things, but it could be improved. Amarok can be promoted, not hidden.

What is best? There are “industry standards” such as MS Office, Adobe Photoshop...
Such “standards” are needed for Linux. I don’t know all Linux apps, but popular and good are Blender, Krita, Krusader, Okular, Gwenview, qbittorrent, Gimp etc…
Good application is usable non-crashy software with cosy UI and well-though functionality.

At least native KDE apps should be top-notch.
Other good apps can be included in featured list.
And the rest in development list. Let people try.
Repositories should not contain glitchy software.
Software on Linux is great problem for newbies.