Bug 431570 - Complete removal of Dolphin from KDE required
Summary: Complete removal of Dolphin from KDE required
Status: CLOSED NOT A BUG
Alias: None
Product: dolphin
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Platform: Other Linux
: NOR normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Dolphin Bug Assignee
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Reported: 2021-01-13 22:13 UTC by Peter
Modified: 2021-01-13 23:25 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Description Peter 2021-01-13 22:13:32 UTC
This thread can only be closed by Nate Graham or people who have been tagged as Dolphin developers.
This message is written for them. Not for obscure people with "stack overflow" editing syndrome.

And guys, don't make me angry. I am developing parsers, so creating several shares of thousands of different accounts from different ip and passing checks is not such a big deal for me.
Let this message reach the authors of Dolphin.



The reason for such a harsh statement:
1. Dolphin hasn't developed for ten years. The cosmetic effects that make this file manager look pretty don't count.

2. Dolphin cannot search for files. Built-in file search is not trustworthy, since it does not even have primitive settings (date, hidden, size, depth). Baloo is unable to search files adequately.
Just try to find the file "baloofilerc" using the built-in search or baloo. Good luck! The problem is already 10 years old.

3. Dolphin is not able to work correctly with network folders. When I work, I feel almost real pain. Probably https://feverfew.home.blog/ will be implemented in Dolphin only after a millennium =)

4. Dolphin is not able to remember general parameters for all folders, as well as reset them (for old folders that already have ".directory") when this parameter is changed.

5. Dolphin is so strongly connected to KDE that it is impossible to painlessly replace it with another file manager. Without losing functionality. And here the user has a choice, either by losing the functionality and using another normal file manager, or the surrogate file manager Dolphin = (

6. The only advantage of Dolphin over Nautilus is the functionality of "bookmarks", "entry points", "separate network folder", "restore tabs after restarting". In all other parameters, Dolphin is seriously inferior to Nautilus.

7. Restoration of previously opened tabs. This was the topic on the forum 8 years ago. And just recently this feature has become available. It was lightning fast.

8. If the folder is being read, no operations can be performed. This is very pronounced when working with network folders or connected devices.

9. The file manager is the backbone of the operating system. The user will work with this program most of the time. But KDE does not pay enough attention to this most important program (for the GUi).


SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS
Windows: 
macOS: 
Linux/KDE Plasma: KDE neon 5.20
(available in About System)
KDE Plasma Version: 5.20.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.78.0
Qt Version: 5.15.2
Comment 1 Nate Graham 2021-01-13 22:14:11 UTC
This is not acceptable behavior. Cease it immediately.

If you want to file real bug reports for the issues you face, please feel free to, with a separate bug report for each issue. Please stop filing bug reports in the form of hostile, abusive rants.
Comment 2 Peter 2021-01-13 22:19:52 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #1)
> This is not acceptable behavior. Cease it immediately.
> 
> If you want to file real bug reports for the issues you face, please feel
> free to, with a separate bug report for each issue. Please stop filing bug
> reports in the form of hostile, abusive rants.

This is not hostility, but disagreement with the senseless actions of the moderators suffering from the "stackoverflow" syndrome. Namely editing something without benefit.

So I was able to chat with the authors of Dolphin? No.
But a couple of people felt their importance by changing someone's post.
Comment 3 Nate Graham 2021-01-13 22:21:06 UTC
I'm a Dolphin developer.

You are welcome to file real bug reports, not to abuse the system by insulting people or ranting pointlessly. See https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting for instructions on how to file real bug reports.
Comment 4 Peter 2021-01-13 22:25:56 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #3)
> I'm a Dolphin developer.
> 
> You are welcome to file real bug reports, not to abuse the system by
> insulting people or ranting pointlessly. See
> https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting for instructions on
> how to file real bug reports.

You influence the development of KDE. You can influence others in the same way. But I don't know how you work, I could be wrong.

I have already filed reports. They are closed just like that.
May I know what is the point of them then? If the reports are closed by moderators just like that.
Comment 5 Nate Graham 2021-01-13 22:28:10 UTC
Put frankly, the point is to punish you for abusing the system. Other KDE developers are more than welcome to do this, because your actions merit punishment.

If you want to file productive bug reports and achieve positive interactions--including getting your issues resolved--please read through https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting to learn how to interact on a bug tracker in a civilized manner.
Comment 6 Peter 2021-01-13 22:43:37 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #5)
> Put frankly, the point is to punish you for abusing the system. Other KDE
> developers are more than welcome to do this, because your actions merit
> punishment.
> 
> If you want to file productive bug reports and achieve positive
> interactions--including getting your issues resolved--please read through
> https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Issue_Reporting to learn how to
> interact on a bug tracker in a civilized manner.

Closing reports by moderators without explanation is also civilized?

I will not continue the argument. And so it is clear that apart from cosmetics from KDE you should not expect anything. If questions from ten years ago cannot be closed. And I'm not the only one who needs it. Make a survey for users, find out what they really want.

And by the way, your defense is very weak. By the way, what have you achieved by blocking me? Or do you have the same syndrome as the moderators?
Isn't it easier to be a civilized person and enter into dialogue?
Comment 7 Nicolás Alvarez 2021-01-13 22:44:48 UTC
There was an explanation, you're being disrespectful and clearly not open to dialogue.
Comment 8 tcanabrava 2021-01-13 23:25:16 UTC
> 1. Dolphin hasn't developed for ten years. The cosmetic effects that make this file manager look pretty don't count.

$ git shortlog -sn --all --since 2010 
That shows more than 4.000 commits. hardly cosmetic as dolphin is mostly the same visuals since ever.

> 2. Dolphin cannot search for files.

Use KFind, or, Please provide patches. Opensource is a compromise that developers and users should work together and when one demands we need to remind him that software is build via community contributions, noone is getting paid to work on dolphin.

> 3. Dolphin is not able to work correctly with network folders.

Please provide patches. Dolphin received lots of patches for samba shares and other network formats. But demanding is not how things are done, you can either: Develop patches and send upstream, Pay a developer to provide patches upstream, or use another file manager.

> 4. Dolphin is not able to remember general parameters for all folders

Please provide patches. Every software has bugs and we need more people developing any software.If dolphin don't suit your needs, you also have krusader, konqueror, or the ones from other DE's like thunar and files.

> 5. Dolphin is so strongly connected to KDE that it is impossible to painlessly replace it with another file manager.

It's not. I use thunar and Files on my day to day usage. You can also use midnight commander, konqueror, krusader.

6. The only advantage of Dolphin over Nautilus is the...

Good, if nautilus serves you better, you are of course welcome to use nautilus, there's no harm there. We KDE developers like and enjoy working with Gnome developers.

> 7 Restoration of previously opened tabs.

Good that someone took the time to do the patch, question, was it you?

> 8  If the folder is being read, no operations can be performed. 

Please provide patches.

> 9. The file manager is the backbone of the operating system. The user will work with this program most of the time. But KDE does not pay enough attention to this most important program (for the GUi).

KDE doesn't pay, at all. All work is voluntary. Can you send patches?