Bug 429251 - Change "Delete" to "Delete Forever" for delete action to emphasize permanence
Summary: Change "Delete" to "Delete Forever" for delete action to emphasize permanence
Status: RESOLVED INTENTIONAL
Alias: None
Product: frameworks-kconfigwidgets
Classification: Frameworks and Libraries
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 5.76.0
Platform: Other Linux
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Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: kdelibs bugs
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Reported: 2020-11-17 16:00 UTC by Andres Betts
Modified: 2020-12-09 23:49 UTC (History)
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Description Andres Betts 2020-11-17 16:00:59 UTC
SUMMARY
In Dolphin, there are various actions that need a semantic parallel to let the user know more consistently about what actions they are taking and what that means. For example:

We have the delete action:

1. Delete
2. Move to trash
3. Trash operation complete
4. Undo trash

This section should probably have stronger indications that to Trash is to send files to the trash bin, while the Delete action skips the trash bin and erases a file from the system.

Here are some suggestions:
1. Delete forever
2. Move to trash
3. Moving to trash complete
4. Undo move to trash

This way, the user gets a sense of the differences in approach.

Another is the Properties right click menu item:

Properties is non-specific and can be difficult to understand the properties of "what" you are reviewing. If the user right clicks the folder pane in an empty area, the menu item says "Properties". If you right click a folder the menu item says "Properties". If you right click a file, the menu says "Properties. While consistent, it is also non-specific.

I suggest adding a modal word next to it that identifies the element. For example:

File Properties
Folder Properties


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Comment 1 Nate Graham 2020-11-17 20:15:49 UTC
One item/bug/request per bug report please. :)

Let's use this to track  #1, changing "Delete" to "Delete Forever". That seems reasonable. The text of this item lives in kconfigwidgets; moving there.

Please do file new bug reports for the other things so they don't get lost.
Comment 2 Bug Janitor Service 2020-11-17 20:19:21 UTC
A possibly relevant merge request was started @ https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/kconfigwidgets/-/merge_requests/27
Comment 3 Luigi Toscano 2020-11-17 20:44:42 UTC
Consistency is important too. "Delete" is generally used, not "Delete forever".

Same for "Properties": otherwise you would have to add the object name to any action. The object of the action is by default the object you are acting upon. 

I would personally be much against both kind of changes.

The "move to trash" suggestions are a bit different and may be interesting to think about them
Comment 4 Nate Graham 2020-12-09 23:49:01 UTC
My merge requests to change the standard text were not met with much enthusiasm.

I suppose we could still override the standard text in just the relevant apps (Dolphin, KIO's KDirOperator, Plasma folder view, Kate). This would involve quite a few merge requests though, and there's the risk of them drifting out of sync later. I feel that this would defeat the point of having standard text in the first place.

Doesn't seem like we'll end up doing this, sorry. :)