Bug 346906 - ISO 8601 not available and manual configuration not possible, anymore
Summary: ISO 8601 not available and manual configuration not possible, anymore
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 340982
Alias: None
Product: systemsettings
Classification: Applications
Component: kcm_formats (show other bugs)
Version: 5.2.2
Platform: Other Linux
: NOR normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Sebastian Kügler
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Reported: 2015-04-29 14:03 UTC by Marco Schulze
Modified: 2015-05-16 19:12 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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2015-04-29 14:06 UTC, Marco Schulze
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2015-04-29 14:06 UTC, Marco Schulze
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Description Marco Schulze 2015-04-29 14:03:12 UTC
I just upgraded from Kubuntu 14.10 to Kubuntu 15.04. Obviously, this caused a migration to the newest KDE/Plasma (I think it is a migration from 4.x to 5.x). Thanks for all the good work!!!

However, until now, I was able to configure various locale formatting rules manually. For example, I was able to configure the "." instead of the "," as a decimal separator (even though German uses "," by default) and most importantly, I was able to use *ISO 8601 date/time format*.

But since 5.x, there is only a region selection in a combo box (e.g. "SouthAfrica - Setswana (tn_ZA)", "Deutschland - Deutsch (de_DE)" etc.). There is no manual configuration possible, anymore. Clicking "Detaillierte Einstellungen" allows to set the region per number, currency, time etc. individually, but even though it implies detailed (i.e. normally advanced configuration), there is none.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open "Systemeinstellungen" (English probably "System settings").
2. Click on "Regionaleinstellungen" (English probably "Regional settings").
3. Click on "Formate" (English probably "Formats").

Actual Results:  
There are various combo boxes allowing to select a region - either globally or individually for numbers, currencies, date/time, measurement etc.

But there is no manual "fine-grained" configuration possible, anymore.

Expected Results:  
1) There should be an entry in the combo boxes (where appropriate) for international standards, additionally to the geographic regions. For example, ISO 8601 is the ONLY VALID DATE/TIME format in international communication. Thus, in the "Zeit" (= "Time") combo, I should be able to select "ISO 8601" additionally to "Colombia", "Deutschland", "United States" and all the others.

Btw. you might even think about fixing the German format: Since 1996, already, the only valid numeric date format according to DIN (the German ISO) is ISO 8601! Most Germans are not aware of that, but why not contribute to general education by keeping the old format as "Deutschland - Deutsch (veraltet) (de_DE)" ("veralted" means "outdated") and make "Deutschland - Deutsch (de_DE)" use ISO 8601 instead?

2) There should be the possibility to manually format each setting (i.e. a really "advanced configuration"), just like it was up to including KDE 4.x.
Comment 1 Marco Schulze 2015-04-29 14:06:26 UTC
Created attachment 92325 [details]
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Comment 2 Marco Schulze 2015-04-29 14:06:49 UTC
Created attachment 92326 [details]
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Comment 3 Marco Schulze 2015-04-29 14:12:44 UTC
https://xkcd.com/1179/
Comment 4 Marco Schulze 2015-04-29 14:20:53 UTC
Just wanted to add to my "expected result" (1), i.e. an ISO 8601 combo box entry for the date/time:

Even though ISO 8601 does not specify a long date format AFAIK (i.e. it only specifies a numeric one), the long date should follow the same endianness as the short date: (1) year, (2) month, (3) day-of-month, (4) hour (0...23), (5) minute, (6) second ...

Examples:
Short: Wed, 2015-04-29 14:59:23 CEST (not sure, if the week-day should be included in short format)
Long: Wednesday, 2015 April 29 14:59:23 CEST
Comment 5 Lasse Liehu 2015-05-08 18:23:58 UTC
This report doesn't belong in Lokalize and probably belongs in System Settings instead. Changing product.
Comment 6 Jonathan Silverblood 2015-05-15 17:52:42 UTC
I'm having the same issue. I used to be able to copy-paste todays date by clicking the time in the corner and then selecting it there, but with the new plasmoid(?) for this it is no longer available so I tried to go back to the old fashioned kde-way (kde is the desktop where you make the choices and it obeys), but to my surprise all the useful and good configurability from kde3/4 seems to have vanished into thin air.

Please reconsider these design decisions, removing the power users will inadvertently remove productive bug reporters and in the long run maybe even useful developers. After all, programmers tend to think they have a say in the matter.
Comment 7 Christoph Feck 2015-05-16 19:12:08 UTC

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 340982 ***