Oxygen Windeco configuration window contains button Show Advanced Configuration Options with weird behaviour - it shows/hides control in different tabs (and even whole tabs) in dialog it is placed with. This is very bad for usability. I'm very confused about what is happening when I click this button. Ideally it should not be there at all or it should show separate configuration window or separate configuration panel *below* this button. It operates on widgets *above* it. My flow is broken in this moment, as I tend to use configuration dialogs from top left - all dependent options are normally under some advanced button/checkbox. Also I don't know what changed in tabs content and I need to click through all of them again. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Run KDE system-settings 2. Open Workspace Appearance 3. Select Window Decorations 4. Select Oxygen 5. Click Configure Decoration Actual Results: Window shows with weird "Show Advanced Configuration Options" button. Expected Results: Window shows without weird "Show Advanced Configuration Options" button.
Originally, these advanced options were only available in a separate application (oxygen-settings) and the "show advanced options" was not there. But users complained. Current solution is the best I could come with to keep the "default" configuration simple, and make the above users happy. So going back to the original design is not an option I believe. Nor showing all (advanced) advanced options at once (since they are advanced). As for a better display of these advanced options, while keeping the button, I am opened to suggestions, mockups, etc. since right now I have no clue how your suggestions would be applicable. Mockups welcome ! (otherwise I'm afraid this will be a wontfix, due to lack of imagination on my side, although I do largely agree with your argument). Hugo
What about adding "Select" or "Configure" button next to "Enable animations" checkbox? It would popup window would contains what "Animations" tab contains now?
This is another one of the - many - cases where we lack a common pattern for solving a common issue: Displaying optional advanced configuration options. And without even looking through the existing KCMs, I'm certain that there are already a dozen different "solutions" for this problem out there. Here is what we (i.e. the KDE usability team) have to do: - Collect (with the help of all KCM maintainers) all cases where there are options which are currently only shown on demand - Identify which of these are actually useful (no, a simple "users complained" is _not_ enough reason, because with the mantra "if some users complain, we have to keep it", you can never remove anything ever) - Find a common interaction pattern for showing/hiding these options - Create a UI pattern (like in http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/SOU_Workspace ) for displaying advanced options and try to get it implemented widely. No the problem is: Who can step up to do this? I don't think it can be done by one person alone.
@Rafal (comment #2) Won't really work: - first there are more 'advanced' options than just the 'animations details' - second, I think that a dialog opening another dialog is pretty much no-no in terms of usuability (system-settings->configuration dialog->advanced configuration) @Thomas: agreed, though that does not really help (yet) here. Also: I did look at what other UIs done, and found no solution really applicable here. (hence my asking for help) One solution I have been thinking of in the meanwhile - remove the show advanced options button all at once. - keep only the 'basic' options here - add a Label (bellow the tab box) advertising that more options are available when running "oxygen-settings" (which the 'power user' would then do, if interested). Not sure what the exact phrasing of the label should be, though. (that would be similar to "for more details, visit ..." that you see more and more on the web.) What do you people think ?
(In reply to comment #4) In case of advanced options in other tabs that "Animations": I've noticed that this button shows/hides most one control per tab. This is trading one 'advanced' control with one button - so not really a gain of any type. Also, it is very hard to say what is 'advanced' and what is not - the line is thin and in different position for anyone. For example, for me "Window-specific overrides" is even more advanced that animation selection combo box list - but is always visible. I think I like the idea of label pointing (or launching) oxygen-setting, but personally I would remove the button and leave configuration in persistent 'advanced' state. Unfortunately I'm not usability expert, but how often do 99% of users configure decoration setting? I don't think they look there at all.
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