Cloned because it's NOT RESOLVED +++ This bug was initially created as a clone of Bug #278891 +++ Version: unspecified (using KDE 4.7.0) OS: Linux With edge desktop switching enabled, if a program is launched on desktop A, dragged to desktop B, and then closed, a blank space equal to the width of a standard taskbar entry will be created on desktop A's taskbar. (A and B represent any two differently numbered desktops). Here is a video of the bug in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8FA1yGM0gA Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1) Log in to a clean desktop session with no programs displayed in the task manager (if necessary). 2) Enable System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Screen Edges -> Switch desktop on edge: Only When Moving Windows. 3) Launch Dolphin on desktop 1. 4) Drag Dolphin to desktop 2. 5) Close Dolphin. 6) Go back to desktop 1 and launch another instance of Dolphin. You will notice a space to the left of Dolphin's taskbar entry. Actual Results: A blank space is created on the first desktop's taskbar. Expected Results: No blank space to be created. My task manager settings are thus: Force row settings: no Show tooltips: yes Highlight windows: no Maximum rows: 2 Grouping: Manually Sorting: Manually Only show tasks from the current screen: no Only show tasks from the current desktop: yes Only show tasks from the current activity: yes Only show tasks that are minimized: no
I can confirm still in 4.7.1 release 8. I know from the previous bug report that aseigo HAS worked on it. So lets wait and see how it goes. I'm not sure if he ever had anyone test it. Hopefully that can be done. Lets not have the report get out of hand like the last one please. The devs are NOT ignoring the reports. I have a hard time believing the stuff that was said last time. So lets have this be a constructive report. Again, as a workaround for the time being, set it to show tasks from all desktops. -ssal
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***
I cannot believe what I see. Aaron closed bug 278891 because there is already an older bug open about this issue. Read his comment for further details. Creating yet another duplicate, and adding him to the CC list without his consensus is the most disrespectful thing you could have done. Please note that I did not remove him from the CC list. Think twice before adding another comment. Christoph Feck KDE Quality Team
Christoph, Aaron closed bug 278891 as invalid, not as duplicate, and without a link to the original bug. Now you're doing the same. Can you please have some respect to the bug reporter and at least post a link to the older bug? Because I couldn't find it. Thanks.
(In reply to comment #4) > Can you please [...] post a link to the older bug? +1
> Can you please have some respect to the bug reporter Would you please let me respect Aaron's decision to not publish that bug number? Actually I have more reasons why I should be pissed off by his decision than anyone else has, but I can respect people's decisions, if they explain them. > I couldn't find it I am interested to hear why you could not find it, but this discussion does not belong in a bug tracker. Please use the KDE support forums or #kde-bugs on freenode, if you need help finding bugs.
(Readding CC member that had been erroneously removed)
wtf is wrong with you? if ther is a duplicate bug, mark it as duplicate? ^^
How about someone, anyone, discloses the actual bug number, so we can all stop playing childish games, go there, and get on with voting and productively commenting on this quite annoying and widespread bug that continues to exist? Thanks.
There is an unconfirmed bug 281965 (which may be a duplicate as well, though). Honestly, it's very sad to observe how developers treat their users as scum. This bug, easily observable in 5 minutes by anyone who uses virtual desktops, forcing them to killall plasma-desktop every couple of hours, has carried through a major release. Why is not a release blocker, people? Do you care about any QA at all?
> Why is not a release blocker, people? It has not been considered a blocker, because there is a simple and effective workaround.
> It has not been considered a blocker, because there is a simple and effective > workaround. Which one? Display all tasks from all desktops in taskbar? This makes virtual desktops themselves pointless, to some extent (if you have ~6 windows on each). This is even a greater trouble than current bug because it's not circumventable (the bug itself at least can be 'fixed' by killall plasma-desktop).
(In reply to comment #10) Ivan, I'm as frustrated by this bug as you are. 8 desktops, two monitors, and well over 40 apps running, spread out unevenly. However, I don't get how you think KDE devs have been treating us, the users, as scum. The worst offense they have made is not updating a bug fast enough. And, unless some of them are being paid to do this, I don't see that as unreasonable. It has been the users who have been mistreating the volunteers that write this software compilation, not the other way around. Some devs have taken that abuse and responded less than perfectly diplomatic, but, again, that is entirely reasonable. So, really, calm down. Christoph - I'm unaware of any simple and effective workaround given the number of apps I have running. I saw that this is supposed to be fixed in the 4.8 stream. Unfortunately, that's a fair ways away from being official. I was hoping to see that backported to 4.7. I doubt that'll happen, and that's unfortunate based on the sheer volume of votes for this bug.
(In reply to comment #11) > It has not been considered a blocker, because there is a simple and effective > workaround. I don't consider the workaround effective at all. I just cannot work with 4 virtual desktops and a taskbar showing all the apps in all the desktops. I cannot change the way in which I've used KDE during the last 6 years. Maybe others can work in this way, but nobody should assume that "everybody can work using this workaround". IMHO this bug should be a release blocker (just my opinion). PS: Why is this report marked as "REPORTED as FIXED"? I could understand if it was closed as "INVALID" or "DUPLICATE" (even if nobody wants to reveal the original report), but marking it as FIXED seems incorrect IMHO.
(In reply to comment #12) > > It has not been considered a blocker, because there is a simple and effective > > workaround. > > Which one? Display all tasks from all desktops in taskbar? This makes virtual > desktops themselves pointless, to some extent (if you have ~6 windows on each). > This is even a greater trouble than current bug because it's not circumventable > (the bug itself at least can be 'fixed' by killall plasma-desktop). While I don't like the tone of this reply, I have to say I have to agree with the content. I remember discussing this point long ago, and it was mentioned that both settings were formally tested and that 'displaying tasks from current desktop only' confused users. That may well be the case, but the problem is such an approach does not scale. Yes, maybe they'll 'get it' quicker, but then it is rather useless. The idea that your desktop is crowded enough that you bother organising applications in virtual desktops, but somehow are OK with fitting them all on the same panel, to me is mind boggling.
(In reply to comment #15) > I remember discussing this point long ago, and it was mentioned that both > settings were formally tested and that 'displaying tasks from current desktop > only' confused users. That may well be the case, but the problem is such an > approach does not scale. Yes, maybe they'll 'get it' quicker, but then it is > rather useless. > > The idea that your desktop is crowded enough that you bother organising > applications in virtual desktops, but somehow are OK with fitting them all on > the same panel, to me is mind boggling. Hi Jorge, I don't think this report should originate a debate about which multi-desktop usage is better. That's just a matter of taste.
(In reply to comment #16) > Hi Jorge, > > I don't think this report should originate a debate about which multi-desktop > usage is better. That's just a matter of taste. IMHO, this should be seen as a regression: the feature was working fine until 4.7. If its a matter of taste or if it is a must-have feature both fall out of scope here. I think the discussion should be directed towards fixing it and moving on, not discussing how the users should use or workaround some previously existing functionality.
I'm sorry for my overreaction. I've been a passionate KDE user for 7 years, and this bug for me is top 1 of so much annoying and so longly unfixed.
> Why is this report marked as "REPORTED as FIXED"? You can click on the "View Bug Activity" link to see who changed the bug status.
> > The idea that your desktop is crowded enough that you bother organising > > applications in virtual desktops, but somehow are OK with fitting them all on > > the same panel, to me is mind boggling. > > Hi Jorge, > > I don't think this report should originate a debate about which multi-desktop > usage is better. That's just a matter of taste. I understand what you're saying but that was not my intention. I'm just stressing that the suggested work around, for some of us (many I would believe), is not a 'workaround' at all. I'd much rather have to put up with a few blank spaces, than having applications from all desktops showing in the panel.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277010
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 277010 ***
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