Bug 231541 - Ctrl-tab should switch tabs
Summary: Ctrl-tab should switch tabs
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: dolphin
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 16.12.2
Platform: Unlisted Binaries Unspecified
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Peter Penz
URL:
Keywords:
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2010-03-21 13:54 UTC by Dotan Cohen
Modified: 2010-03-26 16:44 UTC (History)
8 users (show)

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Captain Obvious (62.67 KB, image/png)
2010-03-21 20:54 UTC, markuss
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Description Dotan Cohen 2010-03-21 13:54:44 UTC
Version:            (using KDE 4.4.1)
Installed from:    Unspecified Linux

In Dolphin Ctrl-tab does not switch tabs by default. It does in Konqueror, and most other tabbed applications. Plezse add this to the Dolphin default configuration. Thanks.
Comment 1 Frank Reininghaus 2010-03-21 16:25:02 UTC
Dolphin assigns the KDE standard shortcuts to the "next tab" and "previous tab" actions (these are "Ctrl-". and "Ctrl-," - defined in KStandardShortcut).

If there is agreement that Ctrl-Tab should switch to the next tab (I don't know if that is the case), adding this in KStandardShortcut would probably be better than hardcoding the shortcut in Dolphin.
Comment 2 Albert Astals Cid 2010-03-21 19:27:34 UTC
Yeah, let's break KDE standards just because you feel like it, meh
Comment 3 Dotan Cohen 2010-03-21 19:54:45 UTC
Thank you Albert. While KDE does have the De Jure standard of KStandardShortcut, KDE also has the De Facto standard of useful applications, such as Konqueror. It is expected that end users would be more familiar with the De Facto standard than the De Jure standard, as they have daily interaction with the former yet no interaction with the latter.

Furthermore, the De Facto standard of Ctrl-Tab is consistent with other well-known software, both KDE applications and non-KDE apps.
Comment 4 markuss 2010-03-21 20:54:58 UTC
Created attachment 41816 [details]
Captain Obvious

All KDE applications I tested (Konqueror, Dolphin, Kopete, and Rekonq) use Ctrl-, and Ctrl-. to cycle through tabs.

Personally, I'd close your bug as Invalid, because in you post you indirectly implied that Konqueror does not use the Ctrl-, and Ctrl-. shortcuts which is definitely not true.
Comment 5 Frank Reininghaus 2010-03-21 21:06:33 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> Personally, I'd close your bug as Invalid, because in you post you indirectly
> implied that Konqueror does not use the Ctrl-, and Ctrl-. shortcuts which is
> definitely not true.

Please note that Ctrl-Tab is an additional shortcut for switching tabs in Konqueror. Just try it or look at KonqMainWindow::eventFilter if you don't believe it ;-)

I understood Dotan's report not as a wish to remove the Ctrl-, and Ctrl-. shortcuts, but to provide Ctrl-Tab as an additional shortcut in Dolphin, just like in Konqueror. I can't see why that wish should not be permitted - if it should be implemented is a different question, of course.

All I tried to say in comment 1 was that new tab handling shortcuts (in addition to Ctrl-, and Ctrl-.) should better be defined in KStandardShortcut instead of having apps like Konqueror define their own additional shortcuts.
Comment 6 Dotan Cohen 2010-03-21 21:15:01 UTC
> I understood Dotan's report not as a wish to remove the Ctrl-, and Ctrl-.
> shortcuts, but to provide Ctrl-Tab as an additional shortcut in Dolphin, just
> like in Konqueror.

Correct, I suggested that Ctrl-tab be added to Dolphin, not that something should be removed from Konqueror.
Comment 7 markuss 2010-03-21 21:24:05 UTC
Dude, you can also define alternative shortcuts yourself. If you want that stupid Ctrl-Tab, then add it yourself in the shortcut manager as "Alternate".
Comment 8 Dotan Cohen 2010-03-21 21:36:58 UTC
Dude, I support 20+ users and they expect that Ctrl-Tab will switch tabs. If you don't want to use that stupid Ctrl-Tab, then don't use it. But why do you hate KDE so much that you want it to be unintuitive for users?
Comment 9 markuss 2010-03-21 22:42:49 UTC
Then change their config and don't file stupid bug reports. You already have the option to change the shortcut to Ctrl-Tab. See the attached screenshot.
Comment 10 Calum Morrell 2010-03-21 22:46:23 UTC
I support the request Dotan has made to add ctrl-tab to Dolphin in order to change tabs. It would greatly enhance usability and make it easier for new users who are not familiar with the KDE way to begin using the software instead of becoming frustrated when the "standard" key combinations they're used to don't appear to do what they expect.
Comment 11 Blackpaw 2010-03-21 23:59:02 UTC
I agree with Dotan and Frank, Ctrl-Tab is definitely the more expected shortcut for this and I for one :) would much appreciate it be added as a std short cut in general.

The fact that Konqueror and most other tabbed applications add it already is evidence to support this.
Comment 12 Felix Miata 2010-03-22 02:11:29 UTC
A "tab" is a concept that originated with a stack of paper, usually in a book or ring binder, which are little extensions of plastic or heavier paper called "tabs". Of no small significance is the "stack". Through a stack, one shifts up and down to change sheets.

The Geckos provide as in addition to Ctrl-Tab/Ctrl-Shift-Tab, the (to me) _only_ logical association to tabs - Ctrl-PgUp/Ctrl-PgDn - to bring a page up or down to or from the top (focus/active), keys that on most keyboards are positioned right alongside other focus changing keys, such as home, end, right, left, up, down, etc. I would never have thought to try Ctrl-./Ctrl-, if I hadn't seen the reporter's reference to this bug on the mailing list.
Comment 13 Ramesh V R 2010-03-22 07:01:32 UTC
Yea, I was also looking for the same functionality. Dolphin should have Ctrl-Tab functionality for switching tabs.
Comment 14 Mark 2010-03-22 10:45:01 UTC
i'm also for ctrl+tab be added as a standard(alternate) shortcut to switch tabs in apps. 
good idea Dotan
Comment 15 Bas Roufs 2010-03-22 13:49:26 UTC
The idea to ADD "Control-Tab" as an additional possibility for tab-switching within Dolphin, is absolutely legitimate and worth carrying out. It will make Dolphin and KDE/ Kubuntu in general a bit more user friendly: a motive to which I attach paramount importance. 
I have an extra argument in favour of Dotan's proposal. Within Dolphin and all other tabbed applications, the command 'control-' has also another implication: zooming out the image @ the screen. Such an ambiguity is confusing, especially for less-experienced computer users we also would like to transfer from Windows to Kubuntu or other KDE distros. 
Respectfully yours,

Bas.
Comment 16 Peter Penz 2010-03-22 19:47:16 UTC
SVN commit 1106406 by ppenz:

Use the default keyboard shortcuts for next-tab/previous-tab as primary key, but use the commonly used shortcuts Ctrl+Tab/Ctrl+Shift+Tab as secondary keys.

Of course it is still possible that the user defines custom shortcuts.

BUG: 231541

 M  +10 -4     dolphinmainwindow.cpp  


WebSVN link: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=1106406
Comment 17 Dotan Cohen 2010-03-22 22:11:44 UTC
Thanks, Peter.
Comment 18 pier andre 2010-03-23 10:51:15 UTC
No I don't agree to alt-tab as standard in dolphin, I prefere as standard ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedown like in firefox, and should be better adequate konqueror and others too to this easy and intuitive switch-tab.
Comment 19 Bas Roufs 2010-03-23 12:20:59 UTC
> No I don't agree to alt-tab as standard in dolphin, I prefere as standard
> ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedown like in firefox, and should be better adequate
> konqueror and others too to this easy and intuitive switch-tab.

Dotan and I are not talking about alt-tab, but CONTROL-tab as an EXTRA
tool for switching between tabs within Dolphin - as it functions
already now within Firefox and other applications.

Of course - alt-tab has another function: switching between
applications. This should not be intermingled with switching between
tabs inside one application.

With respect to Control-pageup and Control-pagedown: intuitively, I
would prefer to reserve those commands for quick navigation UP and
DOWN inside one tab - as it is now in Dolphin.

Respectfully yours,

Bas.
Comment 20 pier andre 2010-03-26 16:44:53 UTC
@Comment #19 From  Bas Roufs
Sorry, I confused alt-tab and ctrl-tab.
about Control-pageup and Control-pagedown: I think is better as tab switc becouse you can use only two finger to go back and forward the tabs, if you use ctrl-tab to go back you have to use three fingers, and now to quickly navigate in the tab you have pageup and pagedown. but having no other use of ctrl-tab in dolphin I agree with you.