Version: 1.2-alpha4 (using KDE 4.2.96) OS: Linux Installed from: Fedora RPMs In old version notification in systray was done by blinking red border. In new version notification in systray is done only by red blinking the icon itself. But icon in new version is glossy with white reflection. This results in less visible notification, especially when systray is placed in screen's corner and sensed only by peripheral vision. This notification is also (almost) invisible on BW screens and for colour-blind people. In this cases shape changing is needed.
In both versions, the notification was done by blinking the icon -- the icon has simply changed. Given that it's the application icon, I don't see how we can fix this other than asking the Oxygen artists to make us a different icon. Fixed the bug title.
I don't know if it was the result of kde3 app in kde4, but (at least for me) there was blinking icon's border in systray - whole icon's box.
hey IMO the difference is quite visible, in my opinion more visible than most, you have to understand that every one want that their use case is the most visible notification, if we default like that we end up with a desktop filled with blinking lights that fail to serve the propose of notification, and look just like downtown TOKYO winch is nice I suppose to visit, but not to live :) Any way think there is a OSD notification system in konversation that you can set up that will help your use case...
(In reply to comment #3) > hey IMO the difference is quite visible I disagree. I'm the lucky one for not being colour blind, but I've already missed a few notifications for a couple of minutes after upgrade. > you have to understand that every one want that their use case is the most > visible notification, if we default like that we end up with a desktop filled > with blinking lights that fail to serve the propose of notification, I'm not following you here. If you don't want be notified, you can simply turn it off. If you want be notified then you just simply want be notified > and look > just like downtown TOKYO winch is nice I suppose to visit, but not to live :) one can say the same thing about everything glossy and reflecting ;) > Any way think there is a OSD notification system in konversation that you can > set up that will help your use case... btw, I don't think icon itself is bad, but changing color red->black and back is just not enough visible, at least from accessibility's point of view.
Well previously it was changed from blue to red and back, the black/red contrast strikes me as stronger personally.
@Michal Hlavinka i understand what you say really but you have to understand that its one of the strongest contrast already to me blue would be nicer :) but red is more apparent, the glossiness as nothing to do with it. What i try to prevent is that every app goes this path, because every app think they are the most important one and every user as a specific use case that requires that they notification is very visible, if we follow that path we end up with a blinking all over desktop... IMO defaults should be sane and discrete its up to the user to use the notifications options to tewk the desktop in the way he thinks is more important to him... for you its Konversation for the next guys its amarok the next its kopete and download notifications, etc etc etc the list goes on and on..
Created attachment 35600 [details] original well... I don't remember any blue icon... What I've seen with old version (now reinstalled on kde 4.3.rc2)
Created attachment 35601 [details] updated and what I see now for peripheral vision it's poorly noticable
(In reply to comment #6) > ... IMO defaults should be sane and discrete > its up to the user to use the notifications options to tewk the desktop in the > way he thinks is more important to him... no problem with this, but there is no option here you can change
You seem to have some sort of setup problem in both cases, actually. In the first case you have a mix between KDE 4 and KDE 3 icons, and in the second case your red icon is outdated. I'll attach all the correct icons.
Created attachment 35602 [details] Konversation KDE 3 app icon
Created attachment 35603 [details] Konversation KDE 3 notification icon
Created attachment 35604 [details] Konversation KDE 4 app icon
Created attachment 35605 [details] Konversation KDE 4 notification icon
Ok, on second thought your Konversation KDE 4 notification icon might not be outdated after all, but it's only the Ogg Theora compression making it look a bit different. I originally though it was a slightly older, graphically poorer red-tinted version of the app icon that I think we had in place for a while. In any case, in your first video what happened is that the Konvi app icon was taken from the system icon theme, but as the notification icon is only shipped by Konversation and not the system theme, and you were running a KDE 3 Konvi, it was still a tinted version of the KDE 3 app icon. Now that you got a KDE Konvi, it's a tinted version of the KDE 4 app icon.
s/originally though/originally thought/ s/Now that you got a KDE Konvi/Now that you got a KDE 4 Konvi/ Sorry, really tired. Anyhow, from Konversation's side this is a WONTFIX - I don't see the new icon as being harder to notice than the old one myself, and in any case, the app icon is done by the Oxygen team, not us. pinheiro being the lead of the Oxygen team makes his opinion authoritative.
ok, thanks for explanation... first I've just thought it's only red border, but in fact it was completely different icon... well... what about only the red megaphone as notification icon? It'd be more than just colouring icon in red... what do you think? no? I've tried it :o)
If pinheiro can make something graphically nice, sure :).