Version: (using KDE 4.0.83) Installed from: Ubuntu Packages In KDE4's Konqueror the only distinction between two open tabs is a one-pixel wide line, which is almost the same colour as the tab itself. Please make the tabs easier to distinguish. Thanks.
Created attachment 25952 [details] Screenshot showing difficult to distinguish tabs.
Created attachment 25953 [details] Akregator is also affected Akregator is also affected, however I do not think that this warrants a new bug. At the dev's discretion I will open a new bug for Akregator.
*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 163990 ***
I find that the active tab is distinguishable, however, there is only a single pixel separating inactive tabs from one another. That single pixel is of a shade that is very similar to the colour of the tab itself.
ah ok understood. We will take a look at it but not before 4.1.1
Created attachment 26002 [details] Kmail settings tabs The issue is affects not only tabs used in MUI applications. Internal tags used for options configurations are affected as well. See screenshot of Kmail settings tabs.
Created attachment 26003 [details] Proposed fix This is my proposed fix, based upon the previous kmail tabs screenshot. Please compare the two images. Thanks.
> We will take a look at it but not > before 4.1.1 Now that 4.1.1 and even 4.2 beta are out, can this issue be considered?
Dont agrea with this bug.... tabs might need a redesign but its a looks issue, not an bug.
The issue persists in KDE 4.2 and makes it very painful on my eyes to use many tabs in Konqueror.
(In reply to comment #9) > Dont agrea with this bug.... > tabs might need a redesign but its a looks issue, not an bug. Its indeed a looks issue but it still is a bug. Anything that impairs visibility needs to be fixed. One can realize the seriousness from the numerous duplicate bugs reported on the same problem. I hope a sombre approach is taken and a fix for this found ASAP.
for people that have visibility problems please use a difrent style that takes your problems into acount. with all Onestly I dont see any problem distingushing 2 difrent tabs. THERE Is no good fits all solution to all problems.
(In reply to comment #12) > for people that have visibility problems please use a difrent style that takes > your problems into acount. with all Onestly I dont see any problem > distingushing 2 difrent tabs. Isn't the problem being reported for Oxygen and Plastique good enough? They are the best and most widely used styles. It problem is worse when using Konsole. I do not understand why do don't *see* the issue at hand.
Its not that I dont see the problem, I just dont see a good solution taht dosent opens other bugs... i have been trying to get a beter solution for the tabs for a long time and still had no good anser... Longh asner is ok but it opens a new batch of visual inconsistencys Im not extremly happy with ... :(
> Its not that I dont see the problem, I just dont see a good > solution taht dosent opens other bugs. What bugs do you see in the proposed fix from comment #7?
Frist bug its ugly, the way beauty is precived is by order and constant flow of information paterns and stul like that, this proposed fix creates less visual coerency betwin the images (tabs), to me ugliness is a bug. The fix Longh proposed is pretier specialy if we set size rules there and should fix your bug.
> to me ugliness is a bug More so than usability? In any case ugliness is in the eye of the beholder and not only do I find the proposal from comment #7 not ugly, I find the current implementation hurts one's eyes. > The fix Longh proposed is pretier Who is this Longh of which you speak? Where can we see his proposal? Thanks!
you just commented on the other bug were longh (aka Huynh Huu Long) showned his patch
I see, thanks. If you are referring to the proposed fix in comment #37 on bug # 163990, then I agree completely! Here is a screenshot for reference: http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=32757 I agree that is a great improvement for KDE, and solves several issues.
I committed the new tabs, please make some suggestion how to improve them further http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=969240
I like the commit.
The screenshot of Huynh Huu Long's commit is here: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__JNFVYfijS4/ShNk92Z9QJI/AAAAAAAAAkE/ZWZhlk6ZtY0/s400/p4c3pD0.png All that remains is to colour the inactive tabs a separate colour from the background strip separating them, and this issue could be closed. Alternatively, using a bolder border around the tabs would work as well.
Current tab data: Inactive tab background = R209 G208 B207 Inactive tab border = R194 G192 B190 sqrt( (209-194)^2 + (208-192)^2 + (207-190)^2 ) = 27.75 That is hardly enough difference, especially when we are talking about a line only one pixel wide!
maybe we can but the active glow around the active tab...
Created attachment 33860 [details] improved version About the lacking contrast: I didn't notice that the fill interfered with the border, here is a better version. Depending on the color scheme (more precisely the window background color) you can get better contrast. I also raised the height difference from unnoticable 1px to 2px, it that helps. The latter doesn't please *my* eyes though, but if it makes sense I'd commit it...
Huynh Huu Long, your work is great. The 2px does make a difference: it is barely noticeable to the eye, but it does make the taller tab look like it is at the front of a filing cabinet of tabbed folders. I would suggest a tad more contrast (inactive tabs darker) and maybe a slightly lighter colour for the inactive tab text. Thanks!
Created attachment 33871 [details] one more Ok, I hope this is ok for most users.
Works for me :)
It is hard for me to tell the difference from the previous, but it looks great! I notice that the halo does not seem to be on the active tab, is that on purpose?
Dotan Cohen there is active state and hover state the hallo is in the hover meens you mouse is on top of it... the active one as a biguer shadow...
I see, pinheiro, thanks!
Dotan, do you mind if I revert my last change (very subtle shadow) and make it optional for KDE 4.4 or some bugfix release of 4.3 if that is even possible, because the change was not obvious to you but annoys the hell out of me ;) If we make it optional I would be willing to make the shadow stronger, so that it actually serves its purpose.
As you see fit, Huynh Huu Long. If it annoys you then it certainly should _not_ be there.
think its fixed by long commit