Bug 164299 - please do not use terms GiB / MiB / etc.
Summary: please do not use terms GiB / MiB / etc.
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 57240
Alias: None
Product: kdelibs
Classification: Frameworks and Libraries
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Platform: unspecified Linux
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Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: kdelibs bugs
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Reported: 2008-06-17 15:41 UTC by Maciej Pilichowski
Modified: 2008-06-28 12:52 UTC (History)
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Description Maciej Pilichowski 2008-06-17 15:41:36 UTC
Version:            (using KDE 4.0.82)
Installed from:    KDE4Daily

please do not use terms GiB / MiB / etc.

Used in free space info status bar (for example).

Reasons -- in all other places MB, GB (correct terms) are used. There is no point introducing another abbreviation, UI should be consistent. Besides the GiB is false defense (did Ubuntu started this) -- abuse of GB is some morons from TDK/Sony/younameit fault, not KDE. You won't use term hackeri because "hacker" is misused by some other moron from newspaper, do you?

In short: do not invent new terms for already used ones, it leads only to confusion ("what is this GiB? Is the same as GB?").
Comment 1 Peter Penz 2008-06-17 16:01:36 UTC
Thanks for the report. I've reassigned this to kdelibs, as Dolphin uses KIO::convertSize(...) for getting the text for the number of bytes. If we want consistency in KDE, it must be adjusted there...

BTW: There have been lengthy discussions on dot.kde.org and @core-devel about this topic and no common conclusion has been found (yet).
Comment 2 Christophe Marin 2008-06-17 16:11:20 UTC
"do not invent new terms for already used ones"

*tries to remember who wanted new terms for cut/copy/paste*


The problem is : 1 KB (kilo) != 1 KiB (kibi)

1 KB = 10^3 B
1 KiB = 2^10 B

And KDE didn't invent it, this has a lovely name : IEEE 1541 standard
Comment 3 Maciej Pilichowski 2008-06-17 16:28:43 UTC
Hmm, there is a problem then -- in _a lot_ of places KDE uses MB/GB/and so on and I am "afraid" it uses it for old GB/MB/and so on.

Personally I hate this "i" version, I would be more than happy if KDE would stick to old GB/MB/etc (2^X).

* I wish for new name for cut because it does not cut anything, you know that :-).
Comment 4 Michael Pyne 2008-06-17 22:36:49 UTC
Christophe: Since the dawn of computing the metric prefixes in association with computing has meant 2^(n * 10) for some value of n (at least in the vast majority of cases).  This only because an issue after hard drive manufacturers started trying to oversell disk capacity by changing the meaning of MB and GB.

My understand was that this is supposed to be configurable somewhere that way we can get the "correct" units for either value of "correct". (I'm a MB guy myself)
Comment 5 Nilesh Bansal 2008-06-27 07:45:23 UTC
Use of GiB and MiB is really bad from usability perspective. Rest of the world (Windows, Mac, GMail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, you name it) uses GB and MB. I know, this is not 100% technically correct, but it does not really matter. For a normal non-geek user having 1GB free space and 1GiB free space mean the same as both can accommodate only 1 movie. GiB or MiB looks scary for those who are not computer scientists and know the technical difference between 1024 and 1000. Please change the units to MB and GB.

Also, dolphin currently shows free space 129.4MiB when 129.4MiB is free. I would suggest displaying just 129MB (remove the .4, who cares about 400KB, but it adds to information clutter)
Comment 6 Lubos Lunak 2008-06-28 12:52:34 UTC

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 57240 ***