Bug 109397 - Support for Stewart's table
Summary: Support for Stewart's table
Status: CONFIRMED
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Product: kalzium
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 1.3.1
Platform: unspecified Linux
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Reported: 2005-07-20 19:37 UTC by A T Somers
Modified: 2005-07-26 13:17 UTC (History)
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Description A T Somers 2005-07-20 19:37:06 UTC
Version:           1.3.1 (using KDE 3.4.1, Gentoo)
Compiler:          gcc version 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7.1)
OS:                Linux (i686) release 2.6.10-rc2

Philip Stewart has deviced a new form for the periodic table, that is gaining in popularity. It solves some of the problems of the current table, in that there are no big groups of elements that don't really fit, elements that have little in common right next to each other (hydrogen and lithium, for instance) and provides space for neutronium. Other than that, it's more attractive to the eye than the old squares of Mendeleevs table. 

See http://www.slate.com/id/2122919?nav=wp for details.
Comment 1 Carsten Niehaus 2005-07-20 20:21:40 UTC
What do you mean with "support". What do you expect us to do? Simple show that thing instead of the regular table?

I really don't know how this solves problems. The place of hydrogen is indeed wrong in most tables including Kalzium's but I don't see this solved in this thing. It is next to C which is at least "equally wrong".

Don't get me wrong, I am not against this, but I don't know what to do with it :-) Is the placement of the elements arbitrarily (to look nice and form a "galaxy" or is there an algorithm for it?

For reference: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/ChemicalGalaxy_Stewart_2004.jpg
Comment 2 A T Somers 2005-07-20 21:04:54 UTC
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 20:21, Carsten Niehaus wrote:
[bugs.kde.org quoted mail]
Something like that, yeah.

> I really don't know how this solves problems. The place of hydrogen is
> indeed wrong in most tables including Kalzium's but I don't see this solved
> in this thing. It is next to C which is at least "equally wrong".

I'm not saying it solves any problems (at least not without introducing new 
ones), but it might make it clear that there are alternatives to the well 
known ordering that is presented in most textbooks. That alone might have 
educational value.

> Don't get me wrong, I am not against this, but I don't know what to do with
> it :-) Is the placement of the elements arbitrarily (to look nice and form
> a "galaxy" or is there an algorithm for it?

I really don't know, to be honest. It certainly does not look "random" to me. 
I am not much of an expert, and I stumbled on this alternative table by 
accident really. I find it kind of refreshing. 

André
Comment 3 Carsten Niehaus 2005-07-20 21:25:51 UTC
Hehe, yes, it is refreshing. There are some pretty good thing in the "regular" PSE: the groups and periods follow the quantum mechanics (the orbital structure). This also mean you have some trends in the PSE.
Of course there are also weak points. I will buy a poster (A2) of this new view and look what can be done for Kalzium.
Comment 4 Carsten Niehaus 2005-07-21 20:32:26 UTC
I have the written permission of Philip Steward to use his table. So I guess this will be implemented soon.