| Summary: | Unattended crash | ||
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| Product: | [Unmaintained] kdelibs | Reporter: | Dave <dave> |
| Component: | kded | Assignee: | Unassigned bugs mailing-list <unassigned-bugs> |
| Status: | RESOLVED WORKSFORME | ||
| Severity: | crash | CC: | cfeck, jerry-va |
| Priority: | NOR | ||
| Version: | 4.10.1 | ||
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Platform: | Fedora RPMs | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
| Latest Commit: | Version Fixed In: | ||
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Description
Dave
2013-04-13 20:40:28 UTC
If this is reproducible, please try to find out which kded module is responsible for the crash. For more information, see http://kdepepo.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/troubleshooting-kded4-bugs/ Good candidates are package/update related modules. Created attachment 85827 [details]
New crash information added by DrKonqi
plasma-desktop (0.4) on KDE Platform 4.8.5 (4.8.5) using Qt 4.8.1
- What I was doing when the application crashed:
Starting March2014
I often return to machine to find a desktop crash has occurred.
My WinXP VM (virtual machine; VMWare Workstation) will still be up,
but the Kubuntu desktop will not have full functionality.
Side panels may be missing.
With time, it may become impossible to start a reboot from the GUi.
A terminal session may become necessary to get a reboot -k now.
Again, this is an unattended crash.
- Unusual behavior I noticed:
UNUSUAL GRAPHICS BEHAVIOR
In the WinXP VM, the cursor can degenerate to the display of a rectangular patch (of memory?) about 16mmW x 10mmH sparesly filled with lit pixels of a limited color range.
This UNUSUAL GRAPHICS BEHAVIOR started about the same time in early Mar2014 when the Plasma Desktop unattended crashes began.
Except for prompt installation of all available updates, there are no machine changes.
This does not feel anything like a classic graphics driver crash to me. The host OS is providing the VM service calls with a bogus returns for cursor info. Very isolated.
-- Backtrace (Reduced):
#6 0x00007fbd59793425 in __GI_raise (sig=<optimized out>) at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c:64
#7 0x00007fbd59796b8b in __GI_abort () at abort.c:91
[...]
#12 0x00007fbd569e516c in QEventLoop::exec (this=<optimized out>, flags=...) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:218
#13 0x00007fbd569e9f67 in QCoreApplication::exec () at kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp:1148
#14 0x00007fbd59b5ea13 in kdemain (argc=1, argv=0x7fffe332f928) at ../../../../plasma/desktop/shell/main.cpp:120
Created attachment 85958 [details]
New crash information added by DrKonqi
plasma-desktop (0.4) on KDE Platform 4.8.5 (4.8.5) using Qt 4.8.1
- Custom settings of the application:
SAME PERSON AS "UNUSUAL GRAPHICS BEHAVIOR ABOVE"
This is a clean unattended crash, nothing odd in VMWare WinXP cursor or anything else.
My Kubuntu widgets are:
"Digital Clock"
"Eyes"
"CPU Monitor"
and 3 edge-of-screen panels
1. top, Windows Menu Bar
2. bottom, the launch icons including an "Input Method Panel"
3. left, a panel with a System Tray, launch icons and floating separately,
3B. Lock/Logout (the size of a button).
The system sometimes spontaneously reboots (gasp!), rather than presenting me with a bug report invitation.
I emphasize the lack of any changes to the Linux host (save updates).
New software **has*** been added to the VMWare virtual XP machine.
I apologize in advance for the vagueness of all this -- it is not like "perform an operation, get a memory violation and tossed on your ass every time" (the good old days).
--jerry
-- Backtrace (Reduced):
#6 0x00007f1cb3c1f425 in __GI_raise (sig=<optimized out>) at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c:64
#7 0x00007f1cb3c22b8b in __GI_abort () at abort.c:91
[...]
#12 0x00007f1cb0e7116c in QEventLoop::exec (this=<optimized out>, flags=...) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:218
#13 0x00007f1cb0e75f67 in QCoreApplication::exec () at kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp:1148
#14 0x00007f1cb3feaa13 in kdemain (argc=1, argv=0x7fff813db118) at ../../../../plasma/desktop/shell/main.cpp:120
Created attachment 86003 [details]
New crash information added by DrKonqi
plasma-desktop (0.4) on KDE Platform 4.8.5 (4.8.5) using Qt 4.8.1
- Unusual behavior I noticed:
SAME PERSON AS UNATTENDED CRASH above:
In the degeneracy prior to crash,
small icons are degenerate, sold color, pattern lost, for
upper right of windows,
"MINIMIZE" button
"MAXIMIZE" button
"CLOSE" botton
On upper left of window
"ALL DESKTOPS" button
"APPLICATION LOGO/MENU" button
In VMWare virtual machine on another desktop:
1. the cursor is degenerate as noted before
2. bottom right, VM hardware icons (hardisk, DVD, NetworkAdapter etc) are degenerate (solid colors)
All the smallest widgets, always left the same size but with wrong fill of sold color.
Degenerate cursor in VM becomes a larger rectangle and has sparse random pixel fill.
When I catch degeneracy, I realize now that a lot of the smallest widgets are broken.
After an unattende crash, the system looks clean.
Hope this helps.
--jerry
-- Backtrace (Reduced):
#6 0x00007fc958070425 in __GI_raise (sig=<optimized out>) at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c:64
#7 0x00007fc958073b8b in __GI_abort () at abort.c:91
[...]
#12 0x00007fc9552c216c in QEventLoop::exec (this=<optimized out>, flags=...) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:218
#13 0x00007fc9552c6f67 in QCoreApplication::exec () at kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp:1148
#14 0x00007fc95843ba13 in kdemain (argc=1, argv=0x7fffdb3fe4e8) at ../../../../plasma/desktop/shell/main.cpp:120
Jerry, your software is very old, please update to newer versions (KDE 4.11.5 or 4.12.x). The crash reports you added are unrelated to the crash of the original reporter. Christoph,
In this note I report my research on how to update KDE, and ask you
to add your advice at the end.
--jerry
--------------- begin end-user groping notes ----------------
KDE UPDATE BASICS
4/20/2014
Find your current version:
K-InfoCenter on desktop from application launcher
2014: KDE SC Version 4.8.5 ("KDE Software Compilation" suite)
"KDE" is the K Desktop Environment.
"K" is ??
Find out the current version:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE
Download a newer version:
How?
THIS INSTALLS EVERYTHING -- NOT JUST AN UPDATE.
Maybe like this. Ask Christoph Feck
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
The repository list might be at /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
or separately as
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
Expect the terminal screen to roll forever.
reboot
Expect a logon screen that offers you the Plasma Desktop/Workspace.
You can create a machine with alternate Ubuntu and KDE desktops this wasy.
--------------- end end-user groping notes ----------------
At 08.04.2014 14:30 Tuesday, you wrote:
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318309
>
>--- Comment #5 from Christoph Feck <christoph@maxiom.de> ---
>Jerry, your software is very old, please update to newer versions (KDE 4.11.5
>or 4.12.x). The crash reports you added are unrelated to the crash of the
>original reporter.
>
>--
>You are receiving this mail because:
>You are on the CC list for the bug.
Christoph,
In this note I convey the difficulty users face in figuring out their
relationship to the KDE organization, where to get information, how
to update their desktop manager software, or even to discover that
the desktop needs updating and all the update maintenance they are
doing does not touch the problem.
Please forward the note to people concerned with the relationship of
the developer community to the larger Linux world and attracting new,
good users from that larger world.
The last paragraph is for you, of course.
--jerry
BACKGROUND: A developer responded to a user bug report, telling the
user to update his KDE software. The user responded with two emails,
a short one in which he almost discovered where KDE software lives on
the Web and how to update it, and this email, where he struggled for
a longer time trying to figure out what KDE is, besides the letter
"K" in his Kubuntu installation. The user had no idea that the
maintenance he performed perfectly on his system did not include any
updates for the desktop manager.
ACTION REQUIRED: The KDE development community has a flawed
relationship to the kind of users they wish to attract in the user
community. This letter should be forwarded to more widely-thinking
KDE people who can generate marketing literature that sells KDE to
smart but knowledge-lacking people who belong in the community and
would be happy there and ultimately contribute to it.
--------------------------- start notes from Lost User
-------------------------------
Gnome/GNU was born open-source, and has roots in CORBA, which makes
it enterprise friendly.
KDE Kubuntu's GUI used a proprietary Dutch library, and so
corporate support of open GUI d'ment
flowed from RedHat et al to Gnome instead.
Major early open-source developers grew within three particular communities:
--Linux community (originally only the kernel), 1991
-- X-Window (top level GUI) community, centered at MIT
--X.org, with contributions from RedHat
--X-free
--GNU (mid-level) libraries, utilities, Richard Stallman Free
Software Foundation.
GNOME today springs from these origins.
TODAY's UNIX & LINUX WORLDS USE X-WINDOWS-like TECHNOLOGY
but there are variants.
KDE ("The KDE Software Compilation") and GNOME
are the two main X-window, full environment variants.
"Full" means not just the shell or the windows manager, but also
DISPLAY MANAGERS (KDM and GDM; they are also the login managers)
THE WIDGET TOOLKITS are Qt for KDE and GTK+ "the Gnome Tool Kit"
BASIC UTILITIES/APPs
SOME KDE & GNOME UTEs/APPs ARE:
--filemanager Dolphin (formerly Konqueror) vs Nautilus
--music player Amarok vs. Rhythmbox
--viewer Gwenview vs Eye of GNOME
--Web browser Konqueror vs.Epiphany
A lot of Web space (chatter) concerns "flavor" choices.
These choices are in the KDE camp:
Kubuntu
Mint
Mate
Cinnamon
This flavor chatter (which is "best") fails to clarify the
institutional support and larger relationships between the distros
and the developer communities supporting them. One sometimes finds
crumbs of information like this:
Kubuntu differs only in the desktop.
The KDE Plasma Desktop (hence the "K" before ubuntu) replaces the
Unity graphical environment.
Blue Systems took over as sponsor from Canonical Ltd., and Kubuntu
will retain use of Ubuntu project servers. The packages for Ubuntu
and Kubuntu share the same repositories (you can get both at the same
place) and the programs will run OK on either system. Kubuntu
updates are released regularly on the same schedule as Ubuntu.
These "Mint"and "Cinnamon" flavors are available as distributions to
install, but, after you install and keep the installation current
with all updates, a developer might tell you that the KDE part of the
distro was never automatically updated, and you don't know how to
find out what revision you have, but it is too old and you don't know
where to go or how to make it new again. To find out these things,
it is important to be polite with developers because they are usually
generous by nature, and know a lot of info even if they are clueless
about the rest of the world where people like you live.
These commands will tell you your current versions:
uname -r (just the OS; does not know about the desktop manager)
K-InfoCenter
--> OS Version Linux 3.2.0-60-generic
KDE SC Version 4.8.5
We are working on figuring out where the center of user life is and
where the updates are hidden. ww.kde.org/community/whatiskde/ seems
to be for developers, not users.
--------------------------- end notes from Lost User
-------------------------------
At 08.04.2014 14:30 Tuesday, you wrote:
>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318309
>
>--- Comment #5 from Christoph Feck <christoph@maxiom.de> ---
>Jerry, your software is very old, please update to newer versions (KDE 4.11.5
>or 4.12.x). The crash reports you added are unrelated to the crash of the
>original reporter.
>
>--
>You are receiving this mail because:
>You are on the CC list for the bug.
Jerry, this is a bug tracker, not a support forum for novice users. If you have questions updating your software or distribution, please ask in a support forum of your distribution via http://ubuntuforums.org/ (And please stop replying by private mail) Dear Bug Submitter, This bug has been stagnant for a long time. Could you help us out and re-test if the bug is valid in the latest version? I am setting the status to NEEDSINFO pending your response, please change the Status back to REPORTED when you respond. Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone! Dear Bug Submitter, This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least 15 days. Please provide the requested information as soon as possible and set the bug status as REPORTED. Due to regular bug tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDSINFO status with no change in 30 days the bug will be closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME due to lack of needed information. For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the wiki located here: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Bug_triaging If you have already provided the requested information, please mark the bug as REPORTED so that the KDE team knows that the bug is ready to be confirmed. Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone! This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least 30 days. The bug is now closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME due to lack of needed information. For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the wiki located here: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Bug_triaging Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone! |