Bug 294758

Summary:	Default settinsg: keyboard accelerators to "show when needed"
Product:	[Plasma] Oxygen	Reporter:	Valentin <valentin.stn>
Component:	general	Assignee:	Hugo Pereira Da Costa <hugo.pereira.da.costa>
Status:	CLOSED INTENTIONAL
Severity:	wishlist	CC:	hanswchen, hugo.pereira.da.costa
Priority:	NOR
Version First Reported In:	unspecified
Target Milestone:	---
Platform:	Ubuntu
OS:	Linux
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Description Valentin 2012-02-24 16:45:29 UTC

Version:           unspecified (using KDE 4.8.0) 
OS:                Linux

I think, that only a few people really use the keyboard accelerators but they are enabled by default. Why not show them only when needed? There is a nice select box in the KDE settings.

There are 3 options
- Allways show
- Allways hide
- Show when needed

The default setting is "Allways show". I think, we should make "Show when needed" default because it looks better.

Reproducible: Always



Expected Results:  
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Comment 1 Hugo Pereira Da Costa 2012-03-12 07:48:28 UTC

Won't do sorry.
Setting the option to "show when needed" basically would make them absolutely not discoverable ...
(meaning: new users would never find them), although I agree that kde applications look better without it ...

Comment 2 Hans Chen 2012-03-12 12:10:39 UTC

Just wondering, how exactly are the keyboard accelerators discoverable even if underlined? The user would still have to know that they need to press the Alt key first. If anything, "Show when needed" makes it more discoverable in my opinion since the underlines then show up when the Alt key is held down, making a connection to the Alt key (it's still hard to figure out though).

Comment 3 Valentin 2012-03-14 12:55:36 UTC

(In reply to comment #1)
> Won't do sorry.
> Setting the option to "show when needed" basically would make them
> absolutely not discoverable ...
> (meaning: new users would never find them), although I agree that kde
> applications look better without it ...

I do not now any person, which is using the keyboard accelerators aparot from some freaks.

(In reply to comment #2)
> Just wondering, how exactly are the keyboard accelerators discoverable even
> if underlined? The user would still have to know that they need to press the
> Alt key first. If anything, "Show when needed" makes it more discoverable in
> my opinion since the underlines then show up when the Alt key is held down,
> making a connection to the Alt key (it's still hard to figure out though).

+1

Comment 4 Hugo Pereira Da Costa 2012-03-14 13:10:34 UTC

Arguments like "I do not know any ..."
are irrelevant, since there are way more people that use kde than the person you know.
Having the accelerators visible make them more discoverable than not having them.
They are also visible in all other widget themes. 
I do not want bug reports like "Oxygen do not display keyboard accelerators, whereas plastique does".
So, the bug remains WONTFIX, sorry. Can't make everybody happy.
There is no need to re-opening as "Unconfirmed", because that will not make the default change.

Hugo