Bug 140334

Summary: Add an option to Spider forbidding dealing of cards with empty slots
Product: [Applications] kpat Reporter: Andrew J. Kroll <a>
Component: generalAssignee: Stephan Kulow <coolo>
Status: CONFIRMED ---    
Severity: wishlist CC: bugman9, hsx253tmp758
Priority: LO    
Version First Reported In: 2.2.2   
Target Milestone: ---   
Platform: unspecified   
OS: Linux   
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Description Andrew J. Kroll 2007-01-20 05:25:55 UTC 
Version:           2.2.2 (using KDE 3.5.5, compiled sources)
Compiler:          gcc version 3.4.6
OS:                Linux (i686) release 2.6.18.1

Empty any slot and you are allowed to deal cards. You should not be allowed to do so. All slots must be filled before you are allowed to deal.
Comment 1 Stephan Kulow 2007-01-22 11:16:29 UTC 
are you refering to some official rules book or just to the windows implementation? Because I consider that "rule" pure nonsense as you can just fill those empty slots with random cards.
Comment 2 Andrew J. Kroll 2007-01-23 03:35:26 UTC 
"It is very easy to get blocked in Spider. You can get blocked when you build out of suit, or when cards get dealt from the stock onto a sequence. Therefore it is critical to build in suit as much as possible. Empty tableau piles (spaces) are extremely valuable and can be used to help moves cards around, but you must fill all spaces before dealing from the tableau."


ref: http://www.solitairegames.com/spider.html

it is a normal rule... I suppose an additional set of "game types" could have this rule changed, but the default is that all spaces must conatin atleast one card before you may deal.... that is what makes spider a "hard to play" game :-)
Comment 3 Stephan Kulow 2007-01-23 09:37:10 UTC 
No, to fill these extra piles and then sort them back does not make it any harder. But I don't care after all.
Comment 4 Stephan Kulow 2008-02-02 19:45:01 UTC 
my wife agrees - enforcing this nonsense rule because other spiders have it doesn't make it less spider. I have yet to see a game that is not winnable with the extra rule, but is in kpat
Comment 5 Heinrich Seebauer 2015-09-20 10:17:54 UTC 
Been some time since ... :)
For example, it is possible to run into situations, where you cannot fill all the empty slots, e.g. because you simply haven't enough cards left (really happened to me once on the windows version).
The result is a blocked game where no legal move can be made.

Enforcing this rule may result in blocking, especially if a game runs extremely well.
Comment 6 Stephan Kulow 2023-02-28 15:06:15 UTC 
*** Bug 344125 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***