Version: 1.2.1 (using KDE 3.1.1) Installed from: (testing/unstable) Compiler: gcc version 3.2.3 20030309 (Debian prerelease) OS: Linux (i686) release 2.4.20 It's currently very non-intuitive on how to go about renaming a Frame, or even giving it a name in the first place. I didn't read the docs yet but RMB in the "Document Structure" I thought should have had a rename, and then barring that the Properties Dialog box for the currently select Frame/Frameset should have also had it's name.
Subject: Re: New: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog On Friday 02 May 2003 21:22, you wrote: > but RMB in the "Document Structure" I thought should have had a rename Good idea. > and then barring that the Properties Dialog box for the currently select Frame/Frameset should have also had it's name. But that one does already. Check the bottom of the third tab.
Subject: Re: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog > On Friday 02 May 2003 21:22, you wrote: > > but RMB in the "Document Structure" I thought should have had a rename > Good idea. > > > and then barring that the Properties Dialog box for the currently select Frame/Frameset should have also had it's name. > But that one does already. Check the bottom of the third tab. Indeed that tab does allow you change the name of the frameset, but what intuition are we using to put the name of the Frameset on the "Connect Text Frames" tab? I do like being able to rename each frameset on the same screen (but that's what I expect to use the RMB for (or even better an MS Windows style long click) in the "Document Structure" column). But how do I change the name of a frame within the set? -- Michael --
Subject: Re: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog On Friday 02 May 2003 23:26, you wrote: > Indeed that tab does allow you change the name of the frameset, > but what intuition are we using to put the name of the Frameset > on the "Connect Text Frames" tab? Right, that's not logical. Any precise suggestions on how to fix this? > I do like being able to rename each frameset on the same screen > (but that's what I expect to use the RMB for (or even better an > MS Windows style long click) in the "Document Structure" column). Yes, that's the feature request :) > But how do I change the name of a frame within the set? Hmm! Actually frames are not named currently; framesets are. So you have "Main article", frames 1, 2 and 3, and "Header", frames 1, 2, and 3, etc. Wouldn't it be confusing if both frames and framesets could be named?
Subject: Re: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog > On Friday 02 May 2003 23:26, you wrote: > > Indeed that tab does allow you change the name of the frameset, > > but what intuition are we using to put the name of the Frameset > > on the "Connect Text Frames" tab? > > Right, that's not logical. Any precise suggestions on how to fix this? I was expecting the very first thing at the top of the very first tab to be the place where I change the selected framesets name. So I guess that would be the top of the options Tab. But as another bug report points out the only currently nameable framesets are Text Framesets, and even then "Text Frameset 1" does not seem renameable. As such it seems that there should be a "General" tab where features that all framesets share should go. Regardless it's the kind of thing that I definitely think should at the top of the first tab you see when you go edit the options. > > I do like being able to rename each frameset on the same screen > > (but that's what I expect to use the RMB for (or even better an > > MS Windows style long click) in the "Document Structure" column). > > Yes, that's the feature request :) Ok cool! > > But how do I change the name of a frame within the set? > > Hmm! Actually frames are not named currently; framesets are. > So you have "Main article", frames 1, 2 and 3, > and "Header", frames 1, 2, and 3, etc. > Wouldn't it be confusing if both frames and framesets could be named? Well I'd want to name my frames based on their content. For instance, you currently name "Page" frames. According to the document structure column the Pages are part of text frameset 1. Similar if I had a picture of a dog inserted into my document I'd want the frame name to reflect the filename or picture title (assuming it had ID tags). I'd want to name individual tables based on what they displayed. KWord currently doesn't seem to support Framesets within Framesets which was something I was going to work down the road to add an "Outline View" to the Document Structure column. In Outline View it would basically be a Table of Contents. You'd see the title of the document at the top, then the main sections might be "Copyright", "Dedication", "Preface", "TOC", "Foreword", "Chapters", "Appendices", "Index". The various sections would show their actual titles instead of "Chapter/Appendix N". As you opened up each section you'd see the individual content sections and the various frames that combined to make up that section. You'd see "figures" and "charts" and "sections" and even "paragraphs". Basically underneath any particular section you'd see whatever frames that section contained. The main purpose for all of this is quickly being able to jump around the document editing items and quickly being able to move the sections around and group them into a document hierarchy all using the Document Structure column. This would also allow for certain tasks to be automated. For instance if I was to create a new "Chapter" Frameset, KWord could automatically update the table of contents for what page that Frameset actually began and I could change the name of the chapter in one place and have it reflect throughout my whole document instantly. I believe that all this implies a level of context that KWord currently doesn't have, but when making documents like books and contracts breaking it up into itemized sections is very typical and it seems to me could be made very intuitive with KWord's frames based approach. -- Michael --
Subject: Re: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog On Saturday 03 May 2003 00:26, you wrote: > I was expecting the very first thing at the top of the very first tab to be > the place where I change the selected framesets name. So I guess > that would be the top of the options Tab. > > But as another bug report points out the only currently nameable framesets > are Text Framesets, and even then "Text Frameset 1" does not seem renameable. > As such it seems that there should be a "General" tab where features that all > framesets share should go. Regardless it's the kind of thing that I > definitely think should at the top of the first tab you see when you go edit > the options. Right. The first tab, "Options" currently, could be that one. It exists for pictures and formulas too, so the name could be moved there. > Well I'd want to name my frames based on their content. Exactly - on the content (which the frameset), not on their layout (the frames). > Similar if I had a picture of a dog > inserted into my document I'd want the frame name to reflect the filename or > picture title (assuming it had ID tags). Each picture is a frameset, so no problem there. Naming the frameset will be enough. > I'd want to name individual tables based on what they displayed. Same there, a table is a frameset (actually every cell is also a frameset, since it contains an independent set of text, but usually cells are auto-named after the table's name) > KWord currently doesn't seem to support Framesets within Framesets It definitely does. Try inserting an inline text frame inside a text frame. > which was > something I was going to work down the road to add an "Outline View" to the > Document Structure column. In Outline View it would basically be a Table of > Contents. You'd see the title of the document at the top, then the main > sections might be "Copyright", "Dedication", "Preface", "TOC", "Foreword", > "Chapters", "Appendices", "Index". The various sections would show their > actual titles instead of "Chapter/Appendix N". As you opened up each section > you'd see the individual content sections and the various frames that > combined to make up that section. You'd see "figures" and "charts" and > "sections" and even "paragraphs". I think you're mixing frames and sections a bit. If this is all the main text, then it's unrelated to frames, it's simply about showing the sections of the document (a feature that KWord doesn't have yet), or about showing the "HEAD 1" headers (which the doc structure tree does). If the above was done with frames, the automatic layouting of those frames would be quite difficult (this reminds me of the endnotes layouting nightmares...) > I believe that all this implies a level of context that KWord currently > doesn't have, but when making documents like books and contracts breaking it > up into itemized sections is very typical and it seems to me could be made > very intuitive with KWord's frames based approach. Hmm. To be refined I think. Anyway we're going far away from #58031's topic :)
Subject: Re: Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog > Right. The first tab, "Options" currently, could be that one. It exists for > pictures and formulas too, so the name could be moved there. This is the core of this bug. This would be a fine solution. :) > > Well I'd want to name my frames based on their content. > > Exactly - on the content (which the frameset), not on their layout (the > frames). Ok based on your explanation of how it works I see how frameset names are enough. I suppose any other information I may need to see about them I could get from a mouseover tooltip. > > I believe that all this implies a level of context that KWord currently > > doesn't have, but when making documents like books and contracts breaking > > it up into itemized sections is very typical and it seems to me could be > > made very intuitive with KWord's frames based approach. > > Hmm. To be refined I think. Anyway we're going far away from #58031's topic > :) Definitely needs to be refined, and definitely no where near in scope for #5803's topic! :) So is there another open wishlist item that this would fall under? -- Michael --
Text-Framesets have names that can be changed already, all other content (images, vector frames etc) should get its own wishlist item to get named. And ideally to have that showing up in a label as well. But thats functionality that is new for flake so lets close this old report to not confuse everyone.