Version: koffice-1.2.1r1 (using KDE KDE 3.1) Installed from: Gentoo Packages Compiler: gcc (GCC) 3.2.1 20021207 (Gentoo Linux 3.2.1-20021207) OS: Linux All fonts in kword does not work correct. The spacing between letters varies a lot and is dependent on font and size, but I couldn't find an font/size looking correct. I see this effect on screen, in the preview and also on the printer (I use cups; works ok with other apps). The spacing also varies with zoom in and zoom out. In the "select font" dialog all fonts are displayed correct!!!!!! In older bug reports (closed) with similar problems I read about dependencies with screen settings. My Settings: 1280x1024 95x96dpi
Created attachment 896 [details] Snapshot of KWord and Select Font dialog
Subject: Re: New: fonts display with incorrect spacing in kword On Thursday 06 February 2003 23:11, you wrote: > All fonts in kword does not work correct. The spacing between letters varies a lot and is dependent on font and size, but I couldn't find an font/size looking correct. I see this effect on screen, in the preview and also on the printer (I use cups; works ok with other apps). > The spacing also varies with zoom in and zoom out. > > In the "select font" dialog all fonts are displayed correct!!!!!! > > In older bug reports (closed) with similar problems I read about dependencies with screen settings. > > My Settings: > 1280x1024 > 95x96dpi Do you have libXft, and a Qt linked to it? Do you have the RENDER extension? (xdpyinfo | grep RENDER) Do you have TTF fonts? E.g. Arial from Microsoft.... :}
Hi, 1. If have installed libXft 2.0.1 and also linked Qt to it (In qtconfig I see an option "Enable Anti-Aliased Font Support (Xft)" which is enabled) 2. Yes 3. I think I have several TTF Fonts installed (arial, trebuchet, verdana, georgia, ...)
I have exactly the same problem with kword 1.2.91. Hopefully this can be resolved before the release of KOffice 1.3. I also have a recent libXft linked to qt and the render extension. But is should not have anything to do with that, because all other text in KDE apps look perfect. I use many different fonts all over KDE and they all display correct. Looks like a KWord-specific problem. Also, I don't use TTF, only Type1. But again, the rest of KDE proves that Type1 fonts can be rendered perfectly. Even KWrite displays any font better than KWord does.
The problem is still there with kword 1.2.92: - SuSE 8.2 - libXft linked to qt - render extension - TTF-fonts (Arial, ...) I also checked other KDE applications with the truetype-fonts and the spacing-problem only occurs within KWord. Maybe this bug is also related to 47488 (... the 'g' is clipped on the bottom of each textline). As it seems that not everybody has this spacing-problem, it would at least be interesting, how many people are affected. For those who are: it would be great if someone could have a look into this issue before KOffice 1.3. Thanks in advance!
Can you really exclude KPresenter? (As KWord and KPresenter have the same text engine, it is important to know if they share the bug or not.) As for the cut descents, this should be fixed in the meantime. Have a nice day!
I checked also KPresenter now: the same issue appears here. It is not always to easy to recognize this wrong used gap between the glyphs, because it seems to be dependant from the zoom-level and the used glyphs. I always try to write a simple "Hello" in e. g. Arial or Times - between the 'e' and 'l' the most time the gap is too large. Changing the zooming level also helps to recognize this issue... It helps also if you e. g. use KMail and set the same font with the same size for writing a mail and write 'Hello'. Compare it to the 'Hello' in KWord and KPresenter even when zooming is set to 100% you'll see the difference. The attached screenshot from Markus Lackner shows this issue quite well. I hope this description is not too confusing ;-)
Subject: Re: fonts display with incorrect spacing in kword On Thursday 11 September 2003 11:57, you wrote: > I checked also KPresenter now: the same issue appears here. It is not always to > easy to recognize this wrong used gap between the glyphs, because it seems to > be dependant from the zoom-level and the used glyphs. I always try to write a > simple "Hello" in e. g. Arial or Times - between the 'e' and 'l' the most time > the gap is too large. Changing the zooming level also helps to recognize this > issue... It helps also if you e. g. use KMail and set the same font with the > same size for writing a mail and write 'Hello'. Compare it to the 'Hello' in > KWord and KPresenter even when zooming is set to 100% you'll see the > difference. The attached screenshot from Markus Lackner shows this issue quite > well. I hope this description is not too confusing ;-) No, that's very clear to me. The bug is known, but unfortunately very difficult to fix until Qt 4. Yes, it "works in KMail", but KMail (or any other editor) isn't WYSIWYG. If you change the zoom level, the text will take more, or less, space (proportionally). In KWord it has to take the same space - so that changing the zoom level doesn't change the layout of the document.
I have the same problem here with KWord 1.2.92. All fonts seem to be affected, but when creating a printing preview, it looks perfect. So, what do you mean, WYSIWYG?? One font is particularly ugly on screen: Luxi Serif @ 11 pt, 123% zoom. Try it, it's horrifying :) Prints beautifully though.. But People, Fonts in KWord still look much better than in MS Word :)
It's funny, because the only word processor that resolves this on screen to my satisfaction is MS Word. With KWord I've had problems like the charactars appearing 2 spaces apart with every font I applied, and being aligned in vertical columns at rediculous distances from one another. I can't tell you how much I would like to see a typesetting configuration feature in kword, and some of these issues at least addressed with some way to let the user gain control over them, provided that they're not solvable internally (which I'm sure they are.) Or possibly a standard set of fonts that always work correctly and that the user can count on having in KWord. However I don't think I've ever seen a word processor with poorer typesetting than kword, and even if you had to steal the ABI Word's typesetting, I still think it would be a huge step ahead for the project. In any case, I wouldn't release another version until you're sure you have this bug well under control. I mean to start using kword, I have to know that I document I typed on one machine is still going to look the on every KDE machine I take it to (like it does in MS Word.)
Subject: Re: fonts display with incorrect spacing in kword On Monday 13 October 2003 17:08, you wrote: > However I don't think I've ever seen a word processor with poorer typesetting > than kword And strangely enough, lots of people are very happy with it. I'm certainly NOT saying you're wrong - this is definitely an annoying problem - but it's very related to fonts: the actual fonts themselves, and the font setup (RENDER, Xft, the DPI settings of the screen etc.). This is no excuse, the bug is there and it's real, but I hope it explains at least why we can put out a new version without shame - it works fine for some people, even though it doesn't for others (no idea about the proportions there, so I'm not saying "most" for either). Fixing this problem for real requires major changes in Qt (WYSIWYG in QFont) - which are hopefully in the works, and which should be in Qt 4, but I have no guarantee of that.
Subject: Re: fonts display with incorrect spacing in kword At the end, it would really interest me to know why it is always people using SuSE (me included) that see such kind of problems. What is different that other distributions do not see it (or much less?) By the way, if you use Xft, be sure that it is not disabled at Qt level (see the program qtconfig .) Because using Xft makes a lot of difference. Have a nice day!
I have seen this problem too. I am attaching two .pdf files that show this problem in gratuitous detail. The font is Thorndale, which is TTF. The one that looks good was exported from OpenOffice.org, and the one that looks bad was exported from Kword.
Created attachment 4874 [details] This is how this document is rendered in Kword.
Created attachment 4875 [details] This is how the document is rendered in OpenOffice.
*** Bug 46358 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
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*** Bug 93757 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I also experience severe kerning problems. My setup: Gentoo Linux with all the latest stable packages: * X.org 6.8.1 * QT 3.3.3 * KDE 3.3.2 * KOffice 1.3.5 * Latest stable fontconfig, freetype, etc For me, the problem is exactly the other way around: Fonts display perfectly in KWord (at all zoom levels) but when you print a document, the kerning is very bad, it looks terrible. I will include screenshots of kword display and the print preview below. This happens with all fonts I have, both TTF and Type1. Even fonts like Arial and Times New Roman cannot be printed correctly.
Created attachment 10218 [details] Screenshot Screenshot of KWord font display. Everything looks perfect.
Created attachment 10219 [details] Screenshot Screenshot of the print preview. Severe kerning problems. Used TTF font is Times New Roman, but all fonts look equally bad.
IIUC, the glyph spacing problem is a Qt issue. The glyphs are hinted to display at the screen resolution and the printed spacing is then based on these sizes NOT the actual size of the glyphs that will be printed. -- JRT
So... should this be reported to Qt?
> So... should this be reported to Qt? No. The wrong WYSIWYG implementation is in koffice, but Qt4 will come with a nice implementation of a richtext engine including WYSIWYG text layouting. I'm in contact with TT about this, and I have to wait for Qt4 - no need to report anything new.
I checked the font kerning problems again on KWord 1.5 Beta2, and things have improved. It is still far from perfect, but printed documents do not look obviously wrong anymore. Will attach screenshots below.
Created attachment 15219 [details] Screenshot of the KWord window
Created attachment 15220 [details] Screenshot of the printing preview
Hello, again I want to remind of this Bug. In Version 1.6.1 this Bug still exists. I stumbled on it on screening as well as on printing. I'm confused, because the same text in same font and size looks brilliant in KSpread.
On Sunday 10 December 2006 23:27, mmj wrote: > again I want to remind of this Bug. In Version 1.6.1 this Bug still exists. The proper solution to the WYSIWYG problem will come with Qt-4.0 and KOffice-2.0 > I'm confused, because the same text in same font and size looks brilliant in KSpread. Yes but kspread isn't WYSIWYG, so sometimes the printed text gets bigger than its containing cell, while everything is fine on screen.
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