(*** This bug was imported into bugs.kde.org ***) Package: konsole Version: 1.1 (using KDE 3.0.0 ) Severity: normal Installed from: Red Hat Linux 7.2.92 Compiler: gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2.96-107) OS: Linux (i686) release 2.4.18-0.4custom OS/Compiler notes: Hi in konsole you talk about 'History' when you mean the saved lines (the stuff you would set via Xterm*saveLines in your .Xdefaults) that have scrolled through the PTY. The term 'History' is of course appropriate. The only problem is that it already has a strong meaning for another closely related application: your shell. Indeed when I first saw 'History' in menu items and other places in konsole I stopped briefly and wondered how konsole would cooperate with my shell how to make such a thing portable and so on. 'Find in History' is therefore a bit ambiguous in that it is not obvious about whose history you are talking about: konsole's or the shell's. This problem is not very serious and I can't really offer you a better alternative. But maybe you could think about something? Thanks for listening. Hans (Submitted via bugs.kde.org) (Called from KBugReport dialog)
In my opinion "history" is better than "scrollback" as used by Gnome. Other opinions?
How about "output history"? That would make it different from the shell's= =20 "command history".
I agree with the reporter; when I first started using Konsole that History name was confusing. I think 'Output History' is better. Find in Output History... Save Output History as...
Changing the menu items to comment #3 makes the menu slightly wider... perhaps drop the History part? I'm not convinced this is an improvement over what is there now... Index: konsole.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /home/kde/kdebase/konsole/konsole/konsole.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.515 diff -u -p -r1.515 konsole.cpp --- konsole.cpp 12 Mar 2005 19:22:48 -0000 1.515 +++ konsole.cpp 14 Mar 2005 01:08:48 -0000 @@ -991,7 +991,7 @@ void Konsole::makeBasicGUI() SLOT(slotClearTerminal()), m_shortcuts, "clear_terminal"); m_resetClearTerminal = new KAction(i18n("&Reset && Clear Terminal"), 0, this, SLOT(slotResetClearTerminal()), m_shortcuts, "reset_clear_terminal"); - m_findHistory = new KAction(i18n("&Find in History..."), "find", 0, this, + m_findHistory = new KAction(i18n("&Find in Output History..."), "find", 0, this, SLOT(slotFindHistory()), m_shortcuts, "find_history"); m_findHistory->setEnabled(b_histEnabled); @@ -1003,15 +1003,15 @@ void Konsole::makeBasicGUI() SLOT(slotFindPrevious()), m_shortcuts, "find_previous"); m_findPrevious->setEnabled( b_histEnabled ); - m_saveHistory = new KAction(i18n("S&ave History As..."), "filesaveas", 0, this, + m_saveHistory = new KAction(i18n("S&ave Output History As..."), "filesaveas", 0, this, SLOT(slotSaveHistory()), m_shortcuts, "save_history"); m_saveHistory->setEnabled(b_histEnabled ); - m_clearHistory = new KAction(i18n("Clear &History"), "history_clear", 0, this, + m_clearHistory = new KAction(i18n("Clear Output &History"), "history_clear", 0, this, SLOT(slotClearHistory()), m_shortcuts, "clear_history"); m_clearHistory->setEnabled(b_histEnabled); - m_clearAllSessionHistories = new KAction(i18n("Clear All H&istories"), "history_clear", 0, + m_clearAllSessionHistories = new KAction(i18n("Clear All Output H&istories"), "history_clear", 0, this, SLOT(slotClearAllSessionHistories()), m_shortcuts, "clear_all_histories"); m_detachSession = new KAction(i18n("&Detach Session"), SmallIconSet("tab_breakoff"), 0, this,
I plan on changing 'history' to 'scrollback' which seems better IMHO. Any comments?
Original reporter here: I think that is better. Particularly since you use the scrollbar to scroll through it. So the related words point you in the right direction. And some users will appreciate the same wording as Gnome. -- I can't believe this bug is already 4 years old. Time flies like crazy.
I vote against "scrollback". "Output history" is much better. The term "scrollback" may be well known to GNOME users but to the general English-knowing public, the word "history" universally means "past events" and "output history" means "past output" which is directly understood. The term "scrollback" is not directly comprehendable as a noun to the general English-knower. (I am talking about English because this is about changing the English word. The core programmer has generally no control over the translators' using whatever term is appropriate in their language.)
The terms "scrolling" and "output" are now used in KDE 4 which is clearer. eg. "Save Output As..." , "Search Output" . The menu item for all the scrolling and searching related options is called Scrollback. I will either keep it or change it pending feedback from users.