Bug 149617 - koffice should use different icon for print preview
Summary: koffice should use different icon for print preview
Status: RESOLVED NOT A BUG
Alias: None
Product: koffice
Classification: Applications
Component: usability (show other bugs)
Version: 1.x
Platform: Compiled Sources Linux
: NOR normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Benoit Walter
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Reported: 2007-09-06 23:11 UTC by Ferdinand Gassauer
Modified: 2007-09-07 17:00 UTC (History)
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Description Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-06 23:11:42 UTC
Version:            (using KDE 3.5.7, compiled sources)
Compiler:          Target: x86_64-suse-linux
OS:                Linux (x86_64) release 2.6.18.8-0.1-default

Hi!
koffice opens the print preview
open office opens the print dialog

IMHO all (KDE) desktop apps should use the same icon for the same function.

may be this is special to OpenSuSE icon set.

I leave it as bug for now, because it's a major usability issue - especially for unexperienced users.
Comment 1 Pino Toscano 2007-09-07 00:51:06 UTC
KDE can not control OpenOffice.org icon themes.
There is a Crystal icon theme that brings the Crystal icons for OpenOffice.org, so you can use that one (or any other "paired" icon themes for KDE and OpenOffice.org).

About the KDE applications, ALL of them use the standard KDE icon or print preview, so this "general usability" bug is pretty INVALID.
If you find any KDE application that does not use the standard icons of the current KDE icon theme, please file a bug for *that* application.
Comment 2 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 10:59:17 UTC
the problem is -

KDE and OpenOffice people do not talk to each other to agree on which icon to use for which action.

result - the user has a usability problem

IMHO the "KDE-Desktop" should act as coordinator if such things happen.
Comment 3 Pino Toscano 2007-09-07 11:13:03 UTC
> KDE and OpenOffice people do not talk to each other to agree on which icon to use for which action.

Please do not generalize - this is just an artwork "issue".
 
> IMHO the "KDE-Desktop" should act as coordinator if such things happen.

Sorry, don't feel to agree here.
Comment 4 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 11:44:08 UTC
so where to put this issue?
Comment 5 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 13:31:08 UTC
sorry to come back on this 

Openoffice uses the crystalsvg icon "filequickprint" to "print file directly" which IMHO corresponds to the name.

koffice uses exactly this icon to open a print preview - no printing is possible.

IMHO a printpreview icon is missing.

Please reopen the bug/whish !!!
Comment 6 Pino Toscano 2007-09-07 14:25:29 UTC
> Openoffice uses the crystalsvg icon "filequickprint" to "print file
> directly" which IMHO corresponds to the name. 
 
> koffice uses exactly this icon to open a print preview - no printing is
> possible. 

You still don't see the real issue, do you?
If the Crystal icon designed for "print preview" is used to indicate a *different* action, then you have the real issue.
Please file a bug report against the Crystal icon theme *for OpenOffice.org*.

And no, I won't reopen the bug for a non-KDE problem.
Comment 7 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 15:22:11 UTC
please consider comment #5
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149617#c5
Comment 8 Pino Toscano 2007-09-07 16:03:34 UTC
Ferdinand, are you reading or what?
KOffice uses the *standard* icon used by *all* of KDE. If the OpenOffice.org Crystal theme uses that icon for *another* purpouse, it's not KOffice nor KDE's fault. This is a specific bug of an *OpenOffice.org* icon theme.
Comment 9 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 16:23:23 UTC
sorry Please read the file name and what koffice does

in kde35/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable

find . -name "*print*" results in
./devices/printer1.svgz
./devices/print_class.svgz
./filesystems/folder_print.svgz
./actions/fileprint.svgz
./actions/filequickprint.svgz
./actions/frameprint.svgz

and KDE uses fileprint.svgz to print a file - which is correct - and koffice (and may be others) uses filequickprint.svgz to PREVIEW a file.
Comment 10 Pino Toscano 2007-09-07 16:44:54 UTC
And? A filename means basically *nothing*.
Open that file, and see that that icon is used to indicate the *print preview* in *ALL* the KDE applications: KOffice, KPDF, ... every applications that can do a Print Preview.
You can see yourself in the kdelibs standard action (kdelibs/kdeui/kstdaction_p.h):
        { PrintPreview,  KStdAccel::AccelNone, "file_print_preview", I18N_NOOP("Print Previe&w..."), 0, "filequickprint" },
(the last field is the icon name)
KDE and KOffice is coherent here, they use the same icon to indicate the print preview.

As I said, the problem is the different usage of that icon between the KDE theme and the OpenOffice.org theme.

And please, STOP assigning this bug to random products.
Comment 11 Ferdinand Gassauer 2007-09-07 17:00:05 UTC
so you want me to file a bug against openoffice http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149617#c6, because they use the icon which does what the name says. 

Sorry I can't follow this argument.