Summary: | "Can read" is unclear; consider "can only read" or "read only" instead | ||
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Product: | [Frameworks and Libraries] frameworks-kio | Reporter: | Alias <jerome> |
Component: | Properties dialog | Assignee: | David Faure <faure> |
Status: | RESOLVED FIXED | ||
Severity: | wishlist | CC: | kdelibs-bugs, nate |
Priority: | NOR | Keywords: | junior-jobs, usability |
Version: | 5.47.0 | ||
Target Milestone: | --- | ||
Platform: | unspecified | ||
OS: | Linux | ||
Latest Commit: | https://commits.kde.org/kio/4c47f6127462e2ba3d0dcc986804693919199cc7 | Version Fixed In: | 5.48 |
Description
Alias
2005-01-10 17:46:24 UTC
We already have far too many options. What's so hard about clicking the Advanced button? As for the imprecise terms, we'll see about it. Would "Can Only Read" suffice? Thanks for responding. As for the more precise term, yes, I think "Can Only Read" would be clearer. Of course, the executable status is excluded. It refers only to the read and write permissions. Because on the first display, the execuble status is common to all three groups (owner, group, others) except in the case that "Forbidden" has been chosen. In that latter case, the "Forbidden" permission expands to the executable status. I think you've realised by now that this seamingly "simplification" is a bit more intricate than it seems at first glance. Maybe I wasn't verbose (precise?) enough in my previous comment. I agree that setting an option to get by default the advanced permission panel or not is quite useless. However I think it would make sense to have an option enabling the user to set his/her level of confidence or details of information provided by konqueror (and, for that matter, by the KDE desktop). There could be three levels: beginner, intermediate, advanced. Depending on the setting, simplified interfaces could be displayed to the user wishing such information. Maybe with the possibility to get the advanced display if you are on a beginner or intermediate level as a glimpse of the advanced level and also as a means to learn a bit more if one wants to. So, for instance, the currently available panel would be the one of a beginner. If one would be an advanced user, only the advanced permissions would be displayed instead. (as it was in konqueror under KDE3.0) I understand that you'd like to make it more simple or easily graspable for new comers, but I think the current result is unsatisfactory for several reasons. 1. As shown above, even using precise terms, the permission setting isn't easily expressed into a few words. 2. The user has to read and interpret the meaning. That takes time and possibly even more so if one has to test other settings. You may say that one can rapidly get used to this. That's right if one does that regularly but I am sure that unix/linux professionals will be troubled being forced to learn something new and quite useless for them. So they'll have to click everytime on the advanced setting. That's one click but it will be one click every time one changes the permissions. I mean it is not convenient to say the least. 3. The single "improvement" in the new panel is that the executable status is set for all 3 groups by one click, but again it may not be that easy to set properly in some cases, so one may have to check that it is correct by clicking on the advanced view. OK, I may have been too verbose this time but I hope you better understand my point. I don't know whether the new change pertains to a new KDE guideline but in my opinion, the current status is not satisfactory, because you get on the nerves of those people who already know unix and kde, while the prospects to attract people from the MS/Mac world is not easily predictable. I thought it was a bug and wanted to report it when I've just realised it isn't. It is just because the new "easy" permission interface is dumb. Have a file with permissions -rwx-r--r-- Look at the permissions: open the properties window. They can't be displayed properly in the simplified view. So one _must_ click on the advanced view to check them. If you have many files like this, it means you are likely to have to click once more to look at the permissions. Even worst, the advanced permission window blocks konqueror (maybe there's a good reason for this) which means you cannot open two properties window at the same time to compare if you want to display the advanced view in both... I am sure, you'll agree that it is really a mess. Moving from "kio/kfile" component to "kfile" product, helps sorting out duplicates. This bug is a great example of how a a trivial change can get derailed: - Multiple issues reported in the bug - Excessively opinionated and editorializing description starts an argument - Intimidating wall of text that makes nobody want to read it Ultimately what's being requested here is a few simple string changes. Here's a patch: https://phabricator.kde.org/D13552 Git commit 4c47f6127462e2ba3d0dcc986804693919199cc7 by Nathaniel Graham. Committed on 22/06/2018 at 13:59. Pushed by ngraham into branch 'master'. [Properties dialog] Improve some permissions-related strings Summary: FIXED-IN: 5.48 Improve some permissions-related strings to be clearer. Test Plan: File: {F5913210} Folder: {F5913211} Reviewers: #frameworks, #vdg, #dolphin Subscribers: abetts, kde-frameworks-devel Tags: #frameworks Differential Revision: https://phabricator.kde.org/D13552 M +7 -7 src/widgets/kpropertiesdialog.cpp https://commits.kde.org/kio/4c47f6127462e2ba3d0dcc986804693919199cc7 |