| Summary: | Feature request: Wayland remote login sessions with Plasma, like xrdp | ||
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| Product: | [Plasma] KRdp | Reporter: | Matthias Klumpp <matthias> |
| Component: | general | Assignee: | Unassigned bugs mailing-list <unassigned-bugs> |
| Status: | CONFIRMED --- | ||
| Severity: | wishlist | CC: | ahiemstra, ales.astone, bugs.kde.org.facelift226, dashonwwIII, jackyzy823, julien.dlq, kde.bugs, kde, matthias, nate, ngompa13, nicolas.fella, notmart, oded, unblended_icing552 |
| Priority: | NOR | ||
| Version: | 6.1.0 | ||
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Platform: | Other | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
| Latest Commit: | Version Fixed In: | ||
| Sentry Crash Report: | |||
There's already the beginning steps toward this with KRdp: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/krdp There’s also this effort by Google: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-devel/2024-February/002476.html with https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/jadahl/xdg-specs/-/merge_requests/1 Yep, this is planned for Plasma 6.1, or maybe 6.2 if it slips. *** Bug 479500 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** KRFB Desktop Sharing is an application that is part of the KDE software suite that shares the X11 or Wayland screen over VNC. It is mature and has worked well for me for a long time now. Maybe it will suite your needs as well - at least until KRDP is ready. Arch has packaged krdp and it is now apart of the system settings. Can this be closed now? No, krdp does not work at all like xrdp yet. The whole session management part is missing (unless that has changed extremely recently) and you basically need to have physical access to the remote computer to make krdp viable. Check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xrdp and https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp?tab=readme-ov-file#features |
Hi everyone! (I was asked to report the feature request here to keep track of it, since it affects multiple desktop components under Wayland) I work at a research lab where we have very powerful servers connected to large data storage via a fast link. A lot of image processing as well as simulations are run on these machines, and it is incredibly convenient as people can take a working environment with them, and we also can share an expensive system extremely efficiently among many scientists. This is how it is set up currently: 1. The user ssh-tunnels into the server they want to connect to (RDP ports are not exposed) 2. A RDP connection to xrdp[1] is created 3. xrdp-sesman[2], the session manager module of xrdp, creates a session for the user after authenticating them 4. Plasma/X11 is started for that user session and renders to the remote display, instead of an actual display If a user disconnects, the session is kept running, and they get their session back as soon as they log in again. To terminate a session, the user has to log out explicitly. We are also utilizing Apache Guacamole[3] to make this process even more convenient so people can avoid installing any additional software and get almost the same experience as if they were using e.g. Remmina[4] to connect remotely. Of course, this complete workflow will not work at all when Plasma is running on Wayland, and XRDP, as the name suggests, is very X.org-specific (it is a fantastic tool though and serves us well). In the long run it would be great if we could switch to Wayland and keep using Plasma (surprisingly, if stripped down just slightly Plasma is not much heavier than light desktops, and users like to use the desktop's tools, e.g. the Dolphin filemanager). GNOME has a remote login in the works that looks similar to what XRDP provides and works on Wayland[5], but it would be fantastic if KDE could provide a similar feature. Having any XDG portals or interactivity will not work - as soon as the user is authenticated, they should get a session noninteractively and there should not be a need to stay logged in for the session to continue to exist (the servers are headless, and if needed, the admin can always set session resource limits for users via logind). A feature like this could for example be implemented by having a system service that takes incoming RDP connections and uses SDDM to authenticate and spawn a new Wayland session that can be interacted with using the transient seat protocol. Or if SDDM is too heavy, some lightweight service to handle the session authentication part. In any case, this will require non-trivial work on a lot of components, and there's likely multiple ways to implement this feature (and it wouldn't even necessarily have to be RDP-based, but we found the protocol to be a bit more efficient than VNC in testing). Thanks to everyone for the phantastic work on Plasma! Cheers, Matthias [1]: https://www.xrdp.org/ [2]: https://manpages.debian.org/testing/xrdp/xrdp-sesman.8.en.html [3]: https://guacamole.apache.org/ [4]: https://remmina.org/ [5]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/Remoting#Remote_Login