Bug 456417

Summary: Translucency
Product: [Applications] systemsettings Reporter: audioprof2002
Component: kcm_workspaceAssignee: Plasma Bugs List <plasma-bugs-null>
Status: CLOSED NOT A BUG    
Severity: wishlist CC: nate
Priority: NOR    
Version First Reported In: unspecified   
Target Milestone: ---   
Platform: Kubuntu   
OS: Linux   
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Description audioprof2002 2022-07-06 21:05:00 UTC
$ systemsettings5 --version
systemsettings 5.22.5

Kubuntu 21.10
$ uname -r
5.13.0-52-generic


OpenGL 3.1
Workspace Behaviour
Desktop Effects
Translucency

Request: 
Smart Translucency...
add a Filter to RGB colors, like Gimp,
to only affect Dark Colors, or only affect Backgrounds.
Not Text.
or less.

Total Translucency is Ok for some things, but Not others.
is Not smart Translucency.

For example:
Inactive Windows, Current Translucency method looks like Ghosts,

Translucent Objects in Real Life, are Background Transparent Most of the Times,

for example: Glass window with letters, or sticker, 
letters in the sticker are Not transparent.
Comment 1 Nate Graham 2022-07-13 17:56:52 UTC
Sorry, I'm having a hard time understanding what you're requesting. Do you think you could write in complete sentences?
Comment 2 Bug Janitor Service 2022-07-28 04:35:55 UTC
Dear Bug Submitter,

This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least
15 days. Please provide the requested information as soon as
possible and set the bug status as REPORTED. Due to regular bug
tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDSINFO status with
no change in 30 days the bug will be closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME
due to lack of needed information.

For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the
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If you have already provided the requested information, please
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Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone!
Comment 3 audioprof2002 2022-07-30 01:28:25 UTC
Latest Kubuntu 22 LTS 
same issue.
Comment 4 Nate Graham 2022-07-30 01:30:19 UTC
I can't triage this bug until I understand what the issue is, and I can't understand it right now. Can you please rephrase using complete sentences?
Comment 5 audioprof2002 2022-07-30 02:35:26 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #1)
> Sorry, I'm having a hard time understanding what you're requesting. Do you
> think you could write in complete sentences?

i will try... LOL™
better to explain with analogy...

a window in a room, has a glass...
sometimes, construction workers need to replace the broken glass,
when moving the new glass through the street from the truck to the building,
usually they paint a large X, so people can see the glass, and avoid a collision and break the New glass.
unless they want to do a prank.

similar happens with Mosquitoes, Flyes and Bees and birds,
Forest insects are Not smart enough, 
brains are too small to know that a transparent object can exist,
so they hit over and over with the glass when they are desperate to get out of the room,
some insects are more calm, and stand on it, to analyze it, to understand,
why there is an invisible force field. LOL™

but in some areas, insects become smarter, and learn in a few generations to sense the flow of the air current,
to avoid collitions with invisible force fields- LOL™.

Another example;
The iconic Fruit Store, made from all glass,
has a Giant Fruit logo on the glass and vertical lines.

https://i.insider.com/5601b730dd08951e138b45f0
https://i.insider.com/560bb67cdd08950c628b457e

A Glass is Not Transparent on the sides.
Everything Transparent is Not Good.
Unless you want to do a Prank.
or
you are an Alien from Another Planet. LOL™
or the Invisible Man.
or very angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dg960XGGSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLXDO5JR8-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW9rCmmHFgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLXbK2XWMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djGBeMzMFEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo0NJsr5m4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw8sIboEL6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtmRlNFtIuE
https://www.businessinsider.com/apples-regent-street-store-overhaul-2015-9
Comment 6 audioprof2002 2022-08-01 05:06:08 UTC
Found another way to explain:

Translucency all set to 20%, 
exept moving windows to 100% transparent, 
and inactive windows to 0% transparent.
gives a decent image, 
but if i go more transparent than 20%, All windows become a ghost.
Not a Glass.
a way to solve that, probably is improving other effect:

System Settings
Desktop Effects
Appereance
[X] Background Contrast...

That effect should have a Slider,
-10...0....+10

-10 Dark / Negative value .
+10 Bright / Positive value.

maybe is the opposite of the actual setting...

Background contrast combined with Translucency + Blur.
is fixed at something like -7 
Darker and Not/Less Transparent.

That effect should have a slider with Positive and Negative Values.
Maybe that is what i mean.
im Not sure until i see the opposite value in Background contrast effect.

could be a start...
also adding that effect to Translucency could be another good idea.
with the optional [X] On/Off box, like the others.

The opposite value of Background contrast effect, 
combined with Translucency,
could give the glass effect, instead of the actual ghost effect.
when translucency is over 25%
Comment 7 Bug Janitor Service 2022-08-16 04:35:37 UTC
Dear Bug Submitter,

This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least
15 days. Please provide the requested information as soon as
possible and set the bug status as REPORTED. Due to regular bug
tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDSINFO status with
no change in 30 days the bug will be closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME
due to lack of needed information.

For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the
wiki located here:
https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Bug_triaging

If you have already provided the requested information, please
mark the bug as REPORTED so that the KDE team knows that the bug is
ready to be confirmed.

Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone!
Comment 8 Nate Graham 2022-08-16 19:24:06 UTC
I still can't tell if you're reporting a bug or requesting a feature, and if so, what it is. I don't think this is actionable unless you can describe the issue clearly and simply, without using references, analogies, sentence fragments, or tons of external links.
Comment 9 audioprof2002 2022-08-17 18:07:42 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #8)
> I still can't tell if you're reporting a bug or requesting a feature, and if
> so, what it is. I don't think this is actionable unless you can describe the
> issue clearly and simply, without using references, analogies, sentence
> fragments, or tons of external links.


System Settings:
Desktop Effects:
Appereance:
[X] Background Contrast...

That effect should have a Slider,
-10...0....+10

also add that effect to Translucency modue with optional [X] On/Off box, like the others.

The opposite value of Background contrast effect, 
combined with Translucency,
could give the glass effect, instead of the ghost effect.
when translucency is over 25%.
Comment 10 Nate Graham 2022-08-17 18:13:29 UTC
The Translucency effect's configuration window already has a slider for configuring the exact amount of transparency to apply.

Are you essentially asking for a blurring effect to be applied to windows when they are made partially transparent while the Translucency effect is making them transparent, because the word "translucent" has a different meaning from the word "transparent" and the effect is confusing you by actually applying transparency, rather than translucency?
Comment 11 audioprof2002 2022-08-17 18:30:25 UTC
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #10)
> The Translucency effect's configuration window already has a slider for
> configuring the exact amount of transparency to apply.
> 
> Are you essentially asking for a blurring effect to be applied to windows
> when they are made partially transparent while the Translucency effect is
> making them transparent, because the word "translucent" has a different
> meaning from the word "transparent" and the effect is confusing you by
> actually applying transparency, rather than translucency?

i given a way to solve the issue, 
but if you cannot tell the difference between a Ghost vs. a Glass, the problem is you..., 
is like explaining colors to a blind, 
explaining red or explaining blue..
there is Nothing i could say that can convince a blind colors are real.
please assign this to another mantainer,
that likes analogies.
This is a dead end.
you dont feel the difference = you will never care.
to you all ketchups taste the same, there is nothing i can say to convince you they taste different.
Comment 12 Nate Graham 2022-08-17 18:50:57 UTC
Ok, have a nice life.