Summary: | Option to not blur the wallpaper | ||
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Product: | [Plasma] kwin | Reporter: | Maximilian Böhm <mabo> |
Component: | effects-present-windows | Assignee: | KWin default assignee <kwin-bugs-null> |
Status: | RESOLVED MOVED | ||
Severity: | wishlist | CC: | mabo, nate, notify |
Priority: | NOR | ||
Version: | 5.25.0 | ||
Target Milestone: | --- | ||
Platform: | Other | ||
OS: | Linux | ||
Latest Commit: | Version Fixed In: |
Description
Maximilian Böhm
2022-06-18 02:33:04 UTC
Sorry, this is a design decision and a usability aid, as you acknowledged. (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #1) > Sorry, this is a design decision and a usability aid, as you acknowledged. Let’s once again compare: The Gnome shell doesn‘t blur the wallpaper: It just draws a gray box around the window title name. That’s the same way the old Plasma effect used too to differentiate the window titles from the wallpaper. https://youtu.be/0_kb7Wft9OE?t=145s macOS doesn‘t blur the wallpaper: In Mission Control, you get your unblurred wallpaper and no window titles anymore in recent versions. But I have mentioned a good older release of OS X, 10.7, which had white font window titles with a black outline and program icons at the bottom of the windows with a subtle shadow. – And no blurring! – This is the best visual implementation there ever was IMHO: https://youtu.be/lTU7i_DtrdQ?t=258 Plasma 5.25: Blurs your lovely wallpaper, window titles are just black without an outline, program icons without shadow at the bottom of the window. Window title text still hard to read. There is a better way! Found this MR which suggests, the reimplemented Flip effect could get an option to turn off the annoying new blurring there too in the future: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kdeplasma-addons/-/merge_requests/168 That’s what I wish for the Present Windows effect too. Please give me an least an option to turn this blurring off. Comparing to what others do generally isn't an effective line of reasoning in KDE; see https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Design/Lessons_Learned#Copying_other_platforms. A better argument is that this unlike for example the Task Switcher, this effect isn't visually themable, which means aesthetic preferences need to be accommodated by explicit options. On that basis, perhaps we can make it configurable. I've just filed a merge request which would give you a tickbox in the settings of this effect to not blur the wallpaper. We'll see what the other devs think of that. Closing this as the KWin devs agreed that this should not be an option. From the merge request: Vlad Zahorodnii ----------------------- I thought that we agreed no blur option is intentional. It's expected that some people may not like certain aspects of the window view, the question is how many, ie let's view it from 80-20 rule perspective. Adding options can be an "easy" way to satisfy all parties, but options make software buggy and harder to change in general. Guilherme Marçal Silva ----------------------------------- Would the user be able to disable blur in the windowview effect by disabling the blur effect globally? I couldn't test windowview so I'm not sure, however, at least with Overview and Present Windows, disabling the Blur effect globally doesn't disable the blur at all. If the same problem is present on windowview, then that's the problem that should be fixed instead. I also noticed the Overview effect does have a toggle for blur. If the blur is desirable for windowview, it should also be desirable for Overview, so it makes no sense to have a toggle for that in one effect and not the other. I don't think both effects should have a setting for blur though, actually, I think overview should drop that setting altogether and instead all blur should be controlled by enabling/disabling the blur effect globally. It really makes no sense UX-wise to control blur settings from all those different places. A user that disables blur would expect it to be gone everywhere. Making the use of blur consistent would solve the original bug report, clear the confusion, and be more logical and consistent from the user's perspective. [Reply] Niklas Stephanblome ------------------------------- The global blur option is described as: "Blurs the background behind semi transparent windows". But this is about bluring the background in plain sight. Pretty sad. Thank you Niklas for your trying. I have answered them in the MR thread: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/2579#9c044e8533c5c3fc938fc46dd0c805ea37d5271d @Guilherme: Wrong assumption about user’s intent. I like most of the blur elements of the UI, just not a blurred wallpaper where I could see my wallpaper before for a decade and half. To see my plain wallpaper behind just everyday window overviews and various task managers makes my desktop more personal. Blurring causes a more sterile look. @Vlad Not to be rude, but that sounds like the typical Gnome approach… There was no wallpaper blurring since 2008 in Kwin. You don’t see this in Gnome‘s or macOS’s related window overviews either, but it’s just the new standard out of nowhere now for Plasma without an option for turning it off. It made your desktop more personal when you could see your plain wallpaper throughout various window management effects. I’m pretty sad about this decision. Let's continue the conversation in https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/106. |