Bug 429946

> However, I can't do these things in "4.4.1" and the new layer doesn't have the lamp icon and everything I draw on it spans over all the frames.

A new layer doesn't have a lamp icon by default, you need to make a new frame on the layer first.

I guess what you mean by "animation documentation" is this: https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/animation.html ? I did add a note on top of the page that the screenshots might be different but if you carefully read text, you should be able to follow the tutorial (but it would be good to know if not). However the reference documentation on Animation docker: https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/animation_docker.html and more importantly, on Timeline docker: https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html is up to date.

And please note that the Timeline docker documentation says (here: https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html#usage):

"How to use the Timeline Docker is not immediately obvious because Krita doesn’t automatically create a key frame out of your initial drawing. In fact, until you make a key frame on a layer, Krita assumes that there’s no animation going on at all on that layer and it will keep the image static over the whole animation.

So, to make our first animated layer, we need to make a key frame!"

And the animation tutorial also shows that before you make a new frame, there is no lamp icon. There is a screenshot of a context menu "New Frame/Copy Frame", but the text below says: "Right-click a frame on the timeline to get the context menu. Choose `Create Blank Frame`". If you do that, you'll get the lamp icon.

I can see it might be confusing until you see that this text addresses the exact situation that is on the screenshot above, just the screenshot is a bit older so there are less options and they are named differently. I can edit this page to make it more clear, or just change that one screenshot.

Can you please see if this new information lets you follow the rest of the tutorial?

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And addressing the underlying not-up-to-date issue:

The animation tutorial is outdated and there is no point in updating it right now (maybe except for that one screenshot), because on master (in future Krita 5.0.0) the animation docker and timeline look very different. All screenshots would need to be remade, all text rewritten again soon. Afaik Emmet already said that they are finishing up GUI changes and start on updating documentation for Krita 5.0.0.

Also the manual is community-sourced as well; most of its content was actually written by a then-volunteer, Wolthera, as far as I know. You can help with the it too, it's always appreciated. The sources for the manual are here: https://invent.kde.org/documentation/docs-krita-org and the manual how to help is here: https://docs.krita.org/en/contributors_manual/krita_manual_readme.html

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Thanks for a lot of information! However, none of it explains how 
exactly can I make a use of a new layer for my current frames. This is 
also the reason why I think that the manual is too poor. It could be a 
video manual, not a textual one or if it's a textual one, every single 
step should be included. Too many steps are missing. Maybe it's useful 
for experienced users of /krita/ but I'm a first-timer animation trier 
in /krita/ and just can't follow the manual. I can't help with the 
manual neither because of the same reason: I don't know how the software 
works.

On 03.12.20 01:59, Tymond wrote:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429946
>
> Tymond <tamtamy.tymona@gmail.com> changed:
>
>             What    |Removed                     |Added
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                   CC|                            |tamtamy.tymona@gmail.com
>               Status|REPORTED                    |NEEDSINFO
>           Resolution|---                         |WAITINGFORINFO
>
> --- Comment #1 from Tymond <tamtamy.tymona@gmail.com> ---
>> However, I can't do these things in "4.4.1" and the new layer doesn't have the lamp icon and everything I draw on it spans over all the frames.
> A new layer doesn't have a lamp icon by default, you need to make a new frame
> on the layer first.
>
> I guess what you mean by "animation documentation" is this:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/animation.html ? I did add a note on top
> of the page that the screenshots might be different but if you carefully read
> text, you should be able to follow the tutorial (but it would be good to know
> if not). However the reference documentation on Animation docker:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/animation_docker.html and
> more importantly, on Timeline docker:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html is up to date.
>
> And please note that the Timeline docker documentation says (here:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html#usage):
>
> "How to use the Timeline Docker is not immediately obvious because Krita
> doesn’t automatically create a key frame out of your initial drawing. In fact,
> until you make a key frame on a layer, Krita assumes that there’s no animation
> going on at all on that layer and it will keep the image static over the whole
> animation.
>
> So, to make our first animated layer, we need to make a key frame!"
>
> And the animation tutorial also shows that before you make a new frame, there
> is no lamp icon. There is a screenshot of a context menu "New Frame/Copy
> Frame", but the text below says: "Right-click a frame on the timeline to get
> the context menu. Choose `Create Blank Frame`". If you do that, you'll get the
> lamp icon.
>
> I can see it might be confusing until you see that this text addresses the
> exact situation that is on the screenshot above, just the screenshot is a bit
> older so there are less options and they are named differently. I can edit this
> page to make it more clear, or just change that one screenshot.
>
> Can you please see if this new information lets you follow the rest of the
> tutorial?
>
> ---
> And addressing the underlying not-up-to-date issue:
>
> The animation tutorial is outdated and there is no point in updating it right
> now (maybe except for that one screenshot), because on master (in future Krita
> 5.0.0) the animation docker and timeline look very different. All screenshots
> would need to be remade, all text rewritten again soon. Afaik Emmet already
> said that they are finishing up GUI changes and start on updating documentation
> for Krita 5.0.0.
>
> Also the manual is community-sourced as well; most of its content was actually
> written by a then-volunteer, Wolthera, as far as I know. You can help with the
> it too, it's always appreciated. The sources for the manual are here:
> https://invent.kde.org/documentation/docs-krita-org and the manual how to help
> is here: https://docs.krita.org/en/contributors_manual/krita_manual_readme.html
>

Thanks for your comment!

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Obviously, this isn't a "critical" bug.

(In reply to Boudewijn Rempt from comment #4)
> Obviously, this isn't a "critical" bug.

How is it not a critical bug if the animation functionality can't be used by following the documentation?

See https://docs.krita.org/en/untranslatable_pages/triaging_bugs.html#importance

Animation pages has been reworked for Krita 5.0, so I guess I can close this: https://invent.kde.org/documentation/docs-krita-org/-/blob/krita/5.0/user_manual/animation.rst - it will be on the online documentation when Krita 5.0 comes out.