Bug 374543

I doubt that it'll be possible to design icons that are small enough to fit and clear enough to replace the title text. You can hide the titlebars, btw.

(In reply to Boudewijn Rempt from comment #1)
> I doubt that it'll be possible to design icons that are small enough to fit
> and clear enough to replace the title text. You can hide the titlebars, btw.

the icons of the tools in the toolbox are a good example what i expect to see as icon-replacer for the dockers. Text isnt really clear, especially if several dockers overlap a bit.

Hello Guys, im in a group in my school, we wanted to work on it , can we do it  ?

Sure, but I'm still not convinced that icons are going to help a lot; that will double the height of the docker titlebars at least. And, of course, we'd need to have icon designs, too.

I am not sure what problem this is even solving. It seems this is just going to make the user interface take up more space for no gain. Maybe this is more about when you have multiple tabs in a docker area? If you had an icon for a tab instead of text, you could put more tabs in a section. They quickly get hard to read if you have 3 or more tab sections in a docker area

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Hi,
The reason to have icons instead of titles is, to improve ui navigation.
An image (icon) is recognizable in a fraction of a second, meanwhile text keeps its up for more than a second, as text asks more attention

Furthermore, if we choose icons we won't need titels  anymore, this was also one of the reasons I wrote this report. An example is Gimp, which uses icons for its dockers and should be installed on most Linux machines nowadays.
Navigation thanks to icons is immediately. It cleans up the dockers with truncated strings. Unclutteres the whole ui. Yes, new icons will be needed, but they have not to be very big.

Thanks for reconsidering this report :)

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>I am not sure what problem this is even solving. It seems this is just
>going to
>make the user interface take up more space for no gain. Maybe this is
>more
>about when you have multiple tabs in a docker area? If you had an icon
>for a
>tab instead of text, you could put more tabs in a section. They quickly
>get
>hard to read if you have 3 or more tab sections in a docker area
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Uncluttered docker menu tabs

Look how uncluttered, and easy to identify icons are, instead of menu descriptions..

A) text is not immediately recognizable like an icon, you've to read what the tab's description means 

B) in addition, menu descriptions are messy if several dockers stack on each other in the same area and the description is gonna be inevitably truncated.

Why should I dock dockers in a new area if tabs *can* stay in a row, but don't do well, because of longer tab descriptions? I don't see the point. 

Maybe we can start a challenge on krita artists and ask for help to design these new icons.

"A) text is not immediately recognizable like an icon, you've to read what the tab's description means "

That is very debatable and I don't think we'll be doing anything like this anytime soon, if at all. If I look at Clip Studio Painter, the icons on the panel tabs don't help navigation at all.

Please check the attached file.

In the attached Screenshot we can see how 10 dockers live side by side without overlapping, each one clearly readable in a relative small column.

Dockers can't be arranged like that. It's impossible.

Yes, I've seen it. It hasn't persuaded me that this is a good idea, sorry.

In Blender, the properties view only has icons for its 'tabs', and even after using Blender since a year, I am still finding myself hovering over those icons to read the text. Icon-only is horrible usability.

Blender is a starship, not just a car speaking metaphorically. I also use blender. So the comparison doesn't hold well as krita doesn't come with the same amount of controls, which aren't needed in krita, but the other hand 

The point of icons is, that you've  to memorize the icons you need.
You can't do the same thing with text. It's just messy to look at  textual truncated tabs.
Maybe are icons not the godseed, but better than textual mess anyway

Apologies for my typo in the last sentence, it should be :

Maybe are icons not perfect, but better than textual mess anyway

Sorry, we will not be doing this. I am closing the discussion now: bugzilla isn't the place for UX discussions in any case.

Lately this reporting thing has been always problematic, as no good reason is welcome to improve over elements who need some improvement. 

My report doesn't talk about impossible or crazy stuff. But it seems you're just annoyed to read whatever comes on, no matter what. 

So I'm stopping here to file reports of any sort altogether.

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