Bug 222934

Summary:	Please show where the fonts are used
Product:	[Applications] systemsettings	Reporter:	Dotan Cohen <kde-2011.08>
Component:	kcm_fonts	Assignee:	rik
Status:	CONFIRMED ---
Severity:	wishlist	CC:	cfeck, sam
Priority:	NOR
Version First Reported In:	unspecified
Target Milestone:	---
Platform:	Compiled Sources
OS:	Unspecified
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Description Dotan Cohen 2010-01-16 07:54:40 UTC

Version:            (using Devel)
Installed from:    Compiled sources

Please add an explanation page that shows which fonts are used where in the system. Things like "small fonts" are ambiguous and the user does not know what it would affect. Thanks.

Comment 1 Christoph Feck 2010-01-18 01:59:51 UTC

How should systemsettings know which application uses which font roles?

Comment 2 Christoph Feck 2010-01-18 02:01:05 UTC

Reassigned.

Comment 3 Christoph Feck 2010-01-18 02:11:33 UTC

Actually, the "Small" font technically means "smallest readable font", and was added to make sure applications don't use anything below that size (if you find something that does not respect that, please file a separate bug report).

I guess the label is just "Small" to not blow up the width of it, I agree that at least the tool tip should clarify that. As for the other roles, they are pretty self explanatory, right?

I cannot speak about plasma widgets; their use of colors and fonts does not always seem to follow system settings, please report that to the widget or theme authors (yes, I hope I made my gripe about that clear).

Comment 4 Dotan Cohen 2010-01-18 16:22:35 UTC

> How should systemsettings know which
> application uses which font roles?

I see in Bug 222936 that you mention that KDE does not use "real" X11 properties, so a real-time "this is used here" indicator is in fact impossible. Therefore, maybe a general explanation would help, such as "This is used in the panel, 



> Actually, the "Small" font technically means "smallest readable
> font", and was added to make sure applications don't use anything
> below that size (if you find something that does not respect that,
> please file a separate bug report).

Then why does it have an associated Font Face as well? Also, the user can configure the other fonts to be smaller than it, so it is defeated right there.



> As for the other roles, they are
> pretty self explanatory, right?

Toolbar, Window Title, and Taskbar are self explanatory. The others are not because:

1) General is where? Everything but the others?

2) Fixed Width is where? I have never noticed a fixed-width font used anywhere in KDE other than Konsole. If it is a Konsole-only setting, then it should be in Konsole. Otherwise, state where it is used (tooltip, maybe?).

3) Menu: Kmenu? Or application menus? Context menus? What about Lancelot?

4) Desktop: there is no text on the desktop. What is this for?

Is a tree hierarchy a Menu or a General? Is the text of official Plasma widgets on the desktop General or Desktop? Is the text size of the file transfer indicatior in the (i) System Tray icon General or maybe Taskbar? How about the popup notifications?



> I cannot speak about plasma widgets; their use of colors and
> fonts does not always seem to follow system settings, please
>  report that to the widget or theme authors (yes, I hope I
> made my gripe about that clear).

Where is the HIG statement that they should use those fonts? I will file issues, but I need the HIG to back it up.

Comment 5 Dotan Cohen 2010-01-18 16:28:03 UTC

If bug 222936 is implemented it would solve the non-plasma portion. Then only a short description, even a webpage in the user base describing where Plasma uses fonts, would suffice to solve this issue.