Bug 194146

Summary: Crash during playback in middle of song
Product: [Unmaintained] phonon-backend-gstreamer Reporter: charly ghislain <charlyghislain>
Component: generalAssignee: Matthias Kretz <kretz>
Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE    
Severity: crash CC: alex.merry, andresbajotierra, martin.sandsmark, mpyne, myriam
Priority: NOR    
Version: unspecified   
Target Milestone: ---   
Platform: Unlisted Binaries   
OS: Linux   
Latest Commit: Version Fixed In:
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Attachments: Another backtrace

Description charly ghislain 2009-05-26 13:02:21 UTC 
Application that crashed: juk
Version of the application: 3.3
KDE Version: 4.2.87 (KDE 4.2.87 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090519))
Qt Version: 4.5.1
Operating System: Linux 2.6.29-ARCH x86_64

What I was doing when the application crashed:
Juk suddenly crashed for no apparant reason, in the middle of a song.

More likely to be caused by phonon or gstreamer though.

 -- Backtrace:
Application: JuK (juk), signal: Aborted
[Current thread is 0 (LWP 5783)]

Thread 11 (Thread 0x7fa2eb456910 (LWP 6220)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ef3a8af2 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 10 (Thread 0x7fa2ea60e910 (LWP 6221)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ef3a8af2 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 9 (Thread 0x7fa2e9e0d910 (LWP 6222)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ef3a8af2 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 8 (Thread 0x7fa2e960c910 (LWP 6223)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ef3a8af2 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 7 (Thread 0x7fa2e5443910 (LWP 7389)):
[KCrash Handler]
#4  0x00007fa2f933e2d5 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
#5  0x00007fa2f933f73a in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x00007fa2f937daa0 in malloc_printerr () from /lib/libc.so.6
#7  0x00007fa2ef362759 in gst_buffer_finalize () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#8  0x00007fa2ef381e49 in gst_mini_object_unref () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2ef118fe0 in gst_base_transform_handle_buffer () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ef119a73 in gst_base_transform_chain () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#11 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#12 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#13 0x00007fa2ef119ac8 in gst_base_transform_chain () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#14 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#15 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#16 0x00007fa2ef119ac8 in gst_base_transform_chain () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#17 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#18 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#19 0x00007fa2ecf02865 in gst_queue_loop () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#20 0x00007fa2ef3a8927 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#21 0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#22 0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#23 0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#24 0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#25 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 6 (Thread 0x7fa2e4c42910 (LWP 7390)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ecf03f40 in gst_queue_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#2  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#6  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#7  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#8  0x00007fa2eaa4d232 in gst_mad_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmad.so
#9  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#11 0x00007fa2eb45c599 in gst_mp3parse_emit_frame () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegaudioparse.so
#12 0x00007fa2eb45da32 in gst_mp3parse_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegaudioparse.so
#13 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#14 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#15 0x00007fa2eb871357 in gst_tag_demux_chain () from /usr/lib/libgsttag-0.10.so.0
#16 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#17 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#18 0x00007fa2eb871357 in gst_tag_demux_chain () from /usr/lib/libgsttag-0.10.so.0
#19 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#20 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#21 0x00007fa2ecf07b3d in gst_type_find_element_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#22 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#23 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#24 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#25 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#26 0x00007fa2ef111dcb in gst_base_src_loop () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#27 0x00007fa2ef3a8927 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#28 0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#29 0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#30 0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#31 0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#32 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 5 (Thread 0x7fa2e4441910 (LWP 7391)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ecf03f40 in gst_queue_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#2  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#6  0x00007fa2ecf04f11 in gst_tee_handle_buffer () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#7  0x00007fa2ecf051ea in gst_tee_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#8  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ecf02865 in gst_queue_loop () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#11 0x00007fa2ef3a8927 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#12 0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#13 0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#14 0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#15 0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#16 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 4 (Thread 0x7fa2e3c40910 (LWP 7392)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2ecf03f40 in gst_queue_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#2  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#6  0x00007fa2ecf04f11 in gst_tee_handle_buffer () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#7  0x00007fa2ecf051ea in gst_tee_chain () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#8  0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#11 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#12 0x00007fa2ef119ac8 in gst_base_transform_chain () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#13 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#14 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#15 0x00007fa2ef119ac8 in gst_base_transform_chain () from /usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#16 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#17 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#18 0x00007fa2ecf02865 in gst_queue_loop () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcoreelements.so
#19 0x00007fa2ef3a8927 in gst_task_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#20 0x00007fa2f4b99e82 in g_thread_pool_thread_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#21 0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#22 0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#23 0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#24 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 3 (Thread 0x7fa2e8e0b910 (LWP 15848)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5be99 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2eeaccfa5 in audioringbuffer_thread_func () from /usr/lib/libgstaudio-0.10.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#5  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fa2e343f910 (LWP 21949)):
#0  0x00007fa2f938921b in memcpy () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x00007fa2efd9c80b in snd_pcm_area_copy () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2
#2  0x00007fa2efd9c9ec in snd_pcm_areas_copy () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2
#3  0x00007fa2efda5369 in snd_pcm_mmap_write_areas () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2
#4  0x00007fa2efd9a4ee in snd1_pcm_write_areas () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2
#5  0x00007fa2efda556b in snd_pcm_mmap_writei () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2
#6  0x00007fa2ed9ecdb2 in gst_alsasink_write () from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalsa.so
#7  0x00007fa2eeaccc88 in audioringbuffer_thread_func () from /usr/lib/libgstaudio-0.10.so.0
#8  0x00007fa2f4b98844 in g_thread_create_proxy () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2faf5759a in start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2f93d8c3d in clone () from /lib/libc.so.6
#11 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()

Thread 1 (Thread 0x7fa2fe92b760 (LWP 5783)):
#0  0x00007fa2faf5e334 in __lll_lock_wait () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00007fa2faf59d75 in _L_lock_512 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#2  0x00007fa2faf59b98 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#3  0x00007fa2f4b98780 in g_static_rec_mutex_lock () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007fa2ef382765 in post_activate () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#5  0x00007fa2ef38ac1b in gst_pad_activate_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#6  0x00007fa2ef38ab1b in gst_pad_activate_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#7  0x00007fa2ef38b956 in gst_pad_set_active () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#8  0x00007fa2ef35ebc3 in activate_pads () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2ef37ee4e in gst_iterator_fold () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ef35ea89 in gst_bin_src_pads_activate () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#11 0x00007fa2ef360857 in gst_bin_change_state_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#12 0x00007fa2ef36f64c in gst_element_change_state () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#13 0x00007fa2ef36f6cf in gst_element_change_state () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#14 0x00007fa2ef3723ea in gst_element_set_state_func () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#15 0x00007fa2efb32487 in Phonon::Gstreamer::Effect::~Effect () from /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
#16 0x00007fa2efb395e7 in Phonon::Gstreamer::VolumeFaderEffect::~VolumeFaderEffect () from /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
#17 0x00007fa2fd6672fb in Phonon::MediaNodePrivate::deleteBackendObject () from /usr/lib/libphonon.so.4
#18 0x00007fa2fd674e15 in Phonon::FactoryPrivate::~FactoryPrivate () from /usr/lib/libphonon.so.4
#19 0x00007fa2f9340e12 in __run_exit_handlers () from /lib/libc.so.6
#20 0x00007fa2f9340e75 in exit () from /lib/libc.so.6
#21 0x00007fa2fa004008 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#22 0x00007fa2fc11abc8 in KApplication::xioErrhandler () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5
#23 0x00007fa2f815153e in _XIOError () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#24 0x00007fa2f815883f in process_responses () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#25 0x00007fa2f8159177 in _XEventsQueued () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#26 0x00007fa2f8141e83 in XEventsQueued () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
#27 0x00007fa2fa03c60c in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#28 0x00007fa2f4b720ea in g_main_context_check () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#29 0x00007fa2f4b728f8 in g_main_context_iterate () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#30 0x00007fa2f4b72d6c in g_main_context_iteration () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#31 0x00007fa2fb2dd056 in QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
#32 0x00007fa2fa03c44e in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
#33 0x00007fa2fb2b2562 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
#34 0x00007fa2fb2b2934 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
#35 0x00007fa2fb2b4a29 in QCoreApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
#36 0x0000000000476de4 in main (argc=<value optimized out>, argv=<value optimized out>) at /srv/build/kde43/kdemultimedia/src/kdemultimedia-4.2.87/juk/main.cpp:123
Comment 1 charly ghislain 2009-05-26 13:07:28 UTC 
Created attachment 34016 [details]
Another backtrace
Comment 2 charly ghislain 2009-05-26 13:17:31 UTC 
Reported to gstreamer http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583880. Should probably be assigned to phonon rather than juk, but i can't do it it seems. However if a backend is crashing, the application should handle it.

Regards,

Charly
Comment 3 Dario Andres 2009-05-27 15:29:22 UTC 
It is indeed a crash in GStreamer:

Thread 7 (Thread 0x7fa2e5443910 (LWP 7389)):
[KCrash Handler]
#4  0x00007fa2f933e2d5 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
#5  0x00007fa2f933f73a in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
#6  0x00007fa2f937daa0 in malloc_printerr () from /lib/libc.so.6
#7  0x00007fa2ef362759 in gst_buffer_finalize () from
/usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#8  0x00007fa2ef381e49 in gst_mini_object_unref () from
/usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#9  0x00007fa2ef118fe0 in gst_base_transform_handle_buffer () from
/usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#10 0x00007fa2ef119a73 in gst_base_transform_chain () from
/usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0
#11 0x00007fa2ef386448 in gst_pad_chain_unchecked () from
/usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#12 0x00007fa2ef387723 in gst_pad_push () from /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
#13 0x00007fa2ef119ac8 in gst_base_transform_chain () from
/usr/lib/libgstbase-0.10.so.0

Reassigning to Phonon and closing as UPSTREAM.
Thanks
Comment 4 Alex Merry 2009-07-19 23:29:05 UTC 
Of course, just because the crash is in GStreamer, that doesn't mean it isn't caused by an error in the way the phonon backend is using it.  I only started getting these crashes today (in Amarok), and my GStreamer was installed on the 19th June.  I have updated KDE several times in the last couple of weeks, however.
Comment 5 Michael Pyne 2009-07-21 04:12:14 UTC 
x86_64?  This is bug 196207.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 196207 ***
Comment 6 Myriam Schweingruber 2011-04-27 21:15:40 UTC 
reassigning to the new bugzilla product for better bug tracing of the various backends. Sorry for the noise.