Bug 101182

Summary: small wish: change default German toolbar icon texts
Product: [Translations] i18n Reporter: Jens <jens-bugs.kde.org>
Component: deAssignee: Thomas Diehl <thd>
Status: RESOLVED FIXED    
Severity: wishlist    
Priority: NOR    
Version: 3.3.2   
Target Milestone: ---   
Platform: unspecified   
OS: Linux   
Latest Commit: Version Fixed In:
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Attachments: toolbar, far too wide

Description Jens 2005-03-09 15:58:42 UTC 
Version:           1.7.2 (using KDE 3.3.2 Level "a" , unofficial build of SUSE )
Compiler:          gcc version 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux)
OS:                Linux (i686) release 2.6.5-7.147-default

Hi,

the default texts for toolbar icons in German make the toolbar far too big (wide) to be useable. (see screenshot attachment) I would like the icon text to be at most double as long as the icon is wide (at 22x22 default size).

I propose the following changes to the texts. 
(I would post a diff for the kmail.po file, but I cannot find e.g. "Nächste ungelesene Nachricht" in kmail.po from CVS. I guess they are dynamically generated somehow.)

I would suggest:

- "nächste ungelesene Nachricht" changed to "nächste ungel. EMail" - or leave the icon text out completely
- "vorherige ungelesene Nachricht" changed to "vorh. ungel. EMail"
- "In Mülleimer verschieben" changed to "in Mülleimer"
- "Nach EMail sehen in" changed to "EMail abholen"
- "Neue Nachricht" changed to "Neue EMail"
- "Speichern unter" changed to "Speichern ..." 
  (the "..." imply that a dialog follows)
- "Nachricht suchen" to "Suchen"
  (what else can you search in KMail?)

IMHO, this would make the toolbar much more useable.


Thank you,

Jens
Comment 1 Jens 2005-03-09 15:59:19 UTC 
Created attachment 10040 [details]
toolbar, far too wide
Comment 2 Stephan Johach 2005-10-31 13:47:17 UTC 
Thank you for your bug report/feature request.
Unfortunately, this bug will never be fixed or the feature never
implemented. The bug report/feature request will be closed.

Are you aware you can hide the icon text in the toolbar? There are
tooltips appearing. If you are unsure about the meaning of an icon
simple wait until the tooltip appears.

We do not want to cut the corresponding translation texts as this 
would also affect the menu entries and is a drawback for
people using a screen reader. This is especially important for the
upcoming KDE 4.
Comment 3 Jens 2005-10-31 14:25:13 UTC 
Hello,

thanks for replying ... I see your points and yes, I'm aware I can hide the icon text. However, KDE lacks a "middle ground" solution that other major platforms (eg. Outlock, Evolution etc) have: only show text beside the most important icons. This would also solve or at least improve this issue.

This is a usability problem: Without icon text, novice users will never find the "send" or "new mail" button. With icon text, they won't find it either, because they are overwhelmed with too many default buttons.

With the current implementation, having the text beside the icons is impractical because you can only have a handful of icons. One solution to save space would be to wrap the icon text if wider than 2-3x the icon width. Another would be to auto-shrink the text (specify a maximum size, append "...") when text is wider than 2-3x the icon width, and only show the ">" arrow at the right side (which would popup the rest of the icons) if there is *still* not enough space.

Please think about it.

Thanks ;)

Jens
Comment 4 Stephan Johach 2005-11-19 17:22:16 UTC 
Please file a bugreport for the developers then. We as translators can't do 
anything about it. Hopefully KDE 4. will have an appropriate solution. But 
you have to trigger the right people early to get this as a basic 
functionality! :)

Perhaps you can file a wishlist item for kdelibs and hopefully get
other users to vote for it.