454422 2022-05-26 07:41:17 +0000 RFE: Split frequency setting between system updates and the rest (flatpaks, etc.) (was: Add per-backend update frequency) 2025-10-13 18:07:07 +0000 1 1 2 Applications Discover discover master unspecified Linux CONFIRMED https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416193 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413053 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436927 usability NOR wishlist --- 1 travier leinir aleixpol ilikefoss john.liptrot nate tim 0 oldest_to_newest 2126828 0 travier 2022-05-26 07:41:17 +0000 SUMMARY We should update different resources at different frequencies. Flatpaks should be updated daily, "silently", in the background with an extra low priority for network and disk io. On Kinoite, system updates should behave pretty much the same but with a different frequency. If not on metered connection, not on battery and auto updates enabled, discover should prepare everything in the background and then notify only when user action is required: restarting apps or rebooting > sometimes I feel that way about Fedora TBH. When I see the notification I feel compelled to go and apply those updates just to make the notifier go away from my system tray Exactly my feeling. I don't want to be bothered every time I open my session by something that will distract me from what I wanted to do on the computer Even notifying for reboot is not ideal. In the best case, we would change the sleep button to suggest poweroff when there are updates to apply. Or have an apply updates and shutdown button Thus no notification at all in the best case. Only notify if there is an issue we can not automatically fix or wait a bit for it to be resolved. STEPS TO REPRODUCE N/A OBSERVED RESULT N/A EXPECTED RESULT NA SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS Linux/KDE Plasma: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION N/A 2126877 1 ilikefoss 2022-05-26 11:33:22 +0000 In my opinion Flatpaks should be updated as the user prefers for other updates, automatic or manual. Or some options could be added for each type of packages, system, Flatpak, Snap and AppImage in the future. I normally prefer to update them manually as I don't work to have anything broken during the work days and also I don't want to do it over mobile connections with limited traffic data. 2126900 2 nate 2022-05-26 13:21:34 +0000 I think we're talking about defaults; every one of these should be configurable too. See also Bug 416193, Bug 413053, and Bug 436927 2196661 3 nate 2023-01-12 18:45:12 +0000 With automatic updates, isn't this the way it already works? That's what the tooltip for the Automatic Updates option in System Settings > Updates, says, at least. So either this is already implemented or else that tooltip is wrong! 2202397 4 bug-janitor 2023-01-27 05:08:34 +0000 Dear Bug Submitter, This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least 15 days. Please provide the requested information as soon as possible and set the bug status as REPORTED. Due to regular bug tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDSINFO status with no change in 30 days the bug will be closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME due to lack of needed information. For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the wiki located here: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Bug_triaging If you have already provided the requested information, please mark the bug as REPORTED so that the KDE team knows that the bug is ready to be confirmed. Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone! 2206904 5 bug-janitor 2023-02-11 03:52:58 +0000 This bug has been in NEEDSINFO status with no change for at least 30 days. The bug is now closed as RESOLVED > WORKSFORME due to lack of needed information. For more information about our bug triaging procedures please read the wiki located here: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Bug_triaging Thank you for helping us make KDE software even better for everyone! 2238618 6 tim 2023-06-28 16:49:47 +0000 This is missing one important element: different auto-update cadence for different backends. Right now, I can not set my Flatpaks to auto-update daily and my system to auto-update weekly. It's all or nothing. 2238840 7 aleixpol 2023-06-29 21:21:15 +0000 Confirming so the bot calms down. 2377719 8 travier 2024-11-28 11:59:04 +0000 While discussing it a 2377720 9 travier 2024-11-28 12:02:27 +0000 Sorry for the partial comment :/. While discussing this at Akademy, we also thought about splitting the system updates from the rest. Instead of having a per-backend setting, it would be a setting for system updates (that are generally larger and often require a reboot), and another one for the rest, which are generally smaller and do not require a reboot (flatpaks, snaps, etc.). The auto updater could then ask the backend if they are a system one or not and trigger auto-updates as needed. 2460957 10 john.liptrot 2025-10-10 15:58:17 +0000 I think this is somewhat making a mountain out of a molehill. I honestly don't think this is worth it at all. It seems to me like a lot of effort for what I'd call a corner case. >I don't want to be bothered every time I open my session by something that will distract me from what I wanted to do on the computer. Even notifying for reboot is not ideal. Disable update notifications then? >Right now, I can not set my Flatpaks to auto-update daily and my system to auto-update weekly. It's all or nothing. So manually update flatpaks daily and manually update the system weekly? 2461648 11 nate 2025-10-13 18:07:07 +0000 This is actually something that we do want for KDE Linux. Auto updates for apps should be safe, but we don't necessarily want to auto-update people to, for example, new major Plasma versions. Hence, we need per-backend frequencies.