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          <bug_id>439439</bug_id>
          
          <creation_ts>2021-07-03 12:05:38 +0000</creation_ts>
          <short_desc>Huge mouse pointer on Wayland</short_desc>
          <delta_ts>2026-03-20 00:25:06 +0000</delta_ts>
          <reporter_accessible>1</reporter_accessible>
          <cclist_accessible>1</cclist_accessible>
          <classification_id>4</classification_id>
          <classification>Plasma</classification>
          <product>kwin</product>
          <component>general</component>
          <version>5.22.4</version>
          <rep_platform>Other</rep_platform>
          <op_sys>Linux</op_sys>
          <bug_status>RESOLVED</bug_status>
          <resolution>DUPLICATE</resolution>
          <dup_id>382604</dup_id>
          <see_also>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301622</see_also>
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          <keywords>wayland-only</keywords>
          <priority>NOR</priority>
          <bug_severity>normal</bug_severity>
          <target_milestone>---</target_milestone>
          
          
          <everconfirmed>0</everconfirmed>
          <reporter name="postix">postix</reporter>
          <assigned_to name="KWin default assignee">kwin-bugs-null</assigned_to>
          <cc>alex765</cc>
    
    <cc>fanzhuyifan</cc>
    
    <cc>gluonparticle</cc>
    
    <cc>laguest</cc>
    
    <cc>nate</cc>
    
    <cc>postix</cc>
    
    <cc>rapiteanu.catalin</cc>
    
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    <commentid>2044860</commentid>
    <comment_count>0</comment_count>
      <attachid>139819</attachid>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-07-03 12:05:38 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Created attachment 139819
Screenshot

SUMMARY

I thought I&apos;d give Wayland finally a try, unfortunately the mouse pointer is HUGE for most applications, but may change back to normal when hovered e.g. over titlebars or some GTK apps like Firefox or some part of GIMP (like the main image view window, but not the toolbars). I remember such a bug, but I cannot find the report anymore in Bugzilla...

Changing the scaling from 200% to 100% did not help. Attaching or de-attaching a second monitor did not make any difference.
If I got to systemsettings -&gt; cursor and change the size or the cursor theme, the HUGE cursor is not affected, but I can see that the style is applied when hovered over e.g. a titlebar.

Please see the screenshot. If you need any debug output, please tell me which. :-)


SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS
Operating System: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210629
KDE Plasma Version: 5.22.2
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.83.0
Qt Version: 5.15.2
Kernel Version: 5.12.13-1-default (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: Wayland
Graphics Processor: Radeon RX 580 Series
3830x2160, 200% scaling</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2044864</commentid>
    <comment_count>1</comment_count>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-07-03 12:27:02 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Restart helps, like proposed in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382604, but it shouldn&apos;t happen in the first place.</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051004</commentid>
    <comment_count>2</comment_count>
    <who name="laguest@archeia.com">laguest</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-04 12:27:05 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>I have two screens, one is 4k and the other is 1080p, scaling the smaller to match the resolution of the 4k one, I get a massive pointer on the smaller screen only.

I used to get massive window frame icons too, but I&apos;ve just tested with the latest version (in testing) and they seem to be ok, for now.

I&apos;ll be posting this on bug #301622</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051018</commentid>
    <comment_count>3</comment_count>
    <who name="Vlad Zahorodnii">vlad.zahorodnii</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-04 13:26:20 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Do you have xdg-desktop-portal-gtk and gnome-settings-daemon installed? I had had issues with fonts and cursors until I installed those two packages (I&apos;m on arch though, not sure what the corresponding packages are on openSUSE)</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051022</commentid>
    <comment_count>4</comment_count>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-04 13:46:23 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Vlad Zahorodnii from comment #3)
&gt; Do you have xdg-desktop-portal-gtk and gnome-settings-daemon installed?

The packages have the same name on openSUSE and I have installed xdg-desktop-portal-gtk but not gnome-settings-daemon. 
Nevertheless, I have given it a try again but w/o gnome-settings-daemon installed:


1) Logout from X11 session
2) Login into Wayland session

Observings: 

* Despite Systemsettings still claiming 200% scaling, everything was scaled like 100%.
* Changing the scaling to 100% made it look like it was scaled to 50%.
* Changing it back to 200% scaling made all applications look correctly scaled but blurry, i.e. just scaled up. Restarting individual applications made them look fine and scaled correctly to 200% again.

The Breeze theme mouse pointer mouse pointer was set to 24 and did not change in size in the first place, no matter where the mouse was hovered.

However, when I have changed it to 48, it remained being 24 for most places, like the plasma panel, but hovered over parts of the Systemsettings (eg.  the titlebar or the cursor previews) or the Firefox tabs, it changed it size to 48 as set.

So I come to the conclusion that this is not related only to GTK apps.

---- 

I am now on

Operating System: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20210730
KDE Plasma Version: 5.22.4
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.84.0
Qt Version: 5.15.2
Kernel Version: 5.13.4-1-default (64-bit)</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051023</commentid>
    <comment_count>5</comment_count>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-04 13:47:57 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>Setting the mouse pointer size back to 24 made it keep being 24 for all places.</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051230</commentid>
    <comment_count>6</comment_count>
    <who name="Nate Graham">nate</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-04 22:24:06 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>The larger cursor size on Wayland with scaling is intentional; the fact that the cursor is not scaled up on X11 when you use a global scale factor is in fact a bug that you never noticed. It got fixed on Wayland, so while it may seem like a bug, it&apos;s the way things were always supposed to be!

The fact that it doesn&apos;t change everywhere immediately without restarting plasmashell is Bug 382604.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 382604 ***</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051378</commentid>
    <comment_count>7</comment_count>
    <who name="laguest@archeia.com">laguest</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-05 08:46:21 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #6)
&gt; The larger cursor size on Wayland with scaling is intentional; the fact that
&gt; the cursor is not scaled up on X11 when you use a global scale factor is in
&gt; fact a bug that you never noticed. It got fixed on Wayland, so while it may
&gt; seem like a bug, it&apos;s the way things were always supposed to be!

On what planet does this make sense? You&apos;re trying to scale a smaller screen to be essentially the same resolution. Making the cursor massive is just bizarre!</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051404</commentid>
    <comment_count>8</comment_count>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-05 10:52:01 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to laguest@archeia.com from comment #7)
&gt; (In reply to Nate Graham from comment #6)

&gt; On what planet does this make sense? You&apos;re trying to scale a smaller screen
&gt; to be essentially the same resolution. Making the cursor massive is just
&gt; bizarre!

Well, it seems to be like for the taskbar, both don&apos;t scale correctly and you set a appropriate size to make them look fine. 

When the correct scaling however is applied, these sizes are then of course wrong and you have the choose a smaller size, which fits again.</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2051405</commentid>
    <comment_count>9</comment_count>
    <who name="postix">postix</who>
    <bug_when>2021-08-05 10:58:51 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>For reference, the scaling issue described in comment 4 is this here: 433460</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2273028</commentid>
    <comment_count>10</comment_count>
    <who name="">fanzhuyifan</who>
    <bug_when>2023-12-11 16:58:16 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>https://invent.kde.org/plasma/breeze/-/merge_requests/380</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2335685</commentid>
    <comment_count>11</comment_count>
    <who name="Sargun Singh">gluonparticle</who>
    <bug_when>2024-07-08 09:25:50 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>This is actually an Accessibility feature offered by KDE. To fix this:

System Settings &gt; Accessibility &gt; Shake Cursor &gt; Uncheck the box for &quot;Shake cursor to find it&quot;
You can set the magnification level as well;</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2335692</commentid>
    <comment_count>12</comment_count>
    <who name="laguest@archeia.com">laguest</who>
    <bug_when>2024-07-08 09:39:20 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Sargun Singh from comment #11)
&gt; This is actually an Accessibility feature offered by KDE. To fix this:
&gt; 
&gt; System Settings &gt; Accessibility &gt; Shake Cursor &gt; Uncheck the box for &quot;Shake
&gt; cursor to find it&quot;
&gt; You can set the magnification level as well;

Again, how is it an accessibility feature when you have 1 screen at 1080p and another at 4k, you scale the 1080p to the same resolution as 4k and the mouse pointer is massive on that screen only?</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2490677</commentid>
    <comment_count>13</comment_count>
    <who name="Simon Lees">simon</who>
    <bug_when>2026-02-02 01:56:02 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Sargun Singh from comment #11)
&gt; This is actually an Accessibility feature offered by KDE. To fix this:
&gt; 
&gt; System Settings &gt; Accessibility &gt; Shake Cursor &gt; Uncheck the box for &quot;Shake
&gt; cursor to find it&quot;
&gt; You can set the magnification level as well;

Thankyou, when using deskflow as a guest to receive keyboard and mouse input it seems the mouse input is jittery enough to trigger this.</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2504707</commentid>
    <comment_count>14</comment_count>
    <who name="Sargun Singh">gluonparticle</who>
    <bug_when>2026-03-19 12:06:07 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Simon Lees from comment #13)
&gt; (In reply to Sargun Singh from comment #11)
&gt; &gt; This is actually an Accessibility feature offered by KDE. To fix this:
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; System Settings &gt; Accessibility &gt; Shake Cursor &gt; Uncheck the box for &quot;Shake
&gt; &gt; cursor to find it&quot;
&gt; &gt; You can set the magnification level as well;
&gt; 
&gt; Thankyou, when using deskflow as a guest to receive keyboard and mouse input
&gt; it seems the mouse input is jittery enough to trigger this.

Glad that helped! If the input is jittery enough, it can constantly trigger such events. 

Also, could you please confirm your KDE Plasma version? I believe some of the Interim releases had turned off the option by default and some had even disabled it. 

During the massive rewrite from Qt5 to Qt6, many &quot;KWin Effects&quot; (like the shake cursor) were briefly disabled or left out of the initial 6.0.0 release
But KDE Plasma 6 has enabled the setting again for non pre-configured devices now.;</thetext>
  </long_desc><long_desc isprivate="0" >
    <commentid>2504841</commentid>
    <comment_count>15</comment_count>
    <who name="Simon Lees">simon</who>
    <bug_when>2026-03-20 00:25:06 +0000</bug_when>
    <thetext>(In reply to Sargun Singh from comment #14)
&gt; (In reply to Simon Lees from comment #13)
&gt; &gt; (In reply to Sargun Singh from comment #11)
&gt; &gt; &gt; This is actually an Accessibility feature offered by KDE. To fix this:
&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt; System Settings &gt; Accessibility &gt; Shake Cursor &gt; Uncheck the box for &quot;Shake
&gt; &gt; &gt; cursor to find it&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; You can set the magnification level as well;
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; Thankyou, when using deskflow as a guest to receive keyboard and mouse input
&gt; &gt; it seems the mouse input is jittery enough to trigger this.
&gt; 
&gt; Glad that helped! If the input is jittery enough, it can constantly trigger
&gt; such events. 
&gt; 
&gt; Also, could you please confirm your KDE Plasma version? I believe some of
&gt; the Interim releases had turned off the option by default and some had even
&gt; disabled it. 
&gt; 
&gt; During the massive rewrite from Qt5 to Qt6, many &quot;KWin Effects&quot; (like the
&gt; shake cursor) were briefly disabled or left out of the initial 6.0.0 release
&gt; But KDE Plasma 6 has enabled the setting again for non pre-configured
&gt; devices now.;

Pretty sure at the time it was a pre release version of 6.6.0</thetext>
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