255906 2010-11-02 19:45:39 +0000 Kwin does not start probably on screen 1 and 2 2010-11-05 00:37:11 +0000 1 1 10 Unmaintained ksmserver general unspecified Debian testing Linux RESOLVED WONTFIX NOR normal --- 0 jonas.vejlin l.lunak kwin-bugs-null 10 oldest_to_newest 1039673 0 53077 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-02 19:45:39 +0000 Created attachment 53077 my xorg if needed Version: unspecified (using KDE 4.4.5) OS: Linux When starting any program on my screen 1 and 2 there is no minimizer, maximizer or close button on that window Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1: start a program on that screen 1 or 2 Actual Results: no window boarder Expected Results: a window boarder with close etc buttons 1039700 1 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-02 20:53:02 +0000 and it happens with a new user as well. 1039707 2 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-02 21:30:53 +0000 and it also fails with kde 4.5.1 (http://qt-kde.debian.net/) 1039727 3 thomas.luebking 2010-11-02 22:07:54 +0000 - is there a titlebar at all? -> is kwin running ("ps -Af | grep kwin") -> what happens if you run "kwin --replace &" output in konsole, backtrace on segfault? - trivial: do you have a custom button setup with "no buttons" ;-) (alt+f3 or rmb on titlebar, "configure window behaviour...", "window decorations", "configure buttons .." - what decoration do you use and does it fix with another decoration 1039796 4 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 06:55:14 +0000 - is there a titlebar at all? Nope -is kwin running ("ps -Af | grep kwin") beer3 2085 2081 4 06:51 pts/4 00:00:01 kwin --replace beer3 2086 2085 3 06:51 pts/4 00:00:01 kwin --replace beer3 2087 2085 1 06:51 pts/4 00:00:00 kwin --replace beer3 2095 2073 0 06:51 pts/3 00:00:00 grep kwin - what happens if you run "kwin --replace &" output in konsole, backtrace on segfault? output from console: beer3@home:~$ kwin --replace & [1] 2085 beer3@home:~$ kwin(2087) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL vendor is "NVIDIA Corporation" kwin(2087) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL renderer is "GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2" kwin(2087) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL version is "3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24" kwin(2087) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: Detected driver "nvidia" , version "195.36.24" kwin(2086) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL vendor is "NVIDIA Corporation" kwin(2086) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL renderer is "GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2" kwin(2086) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL version is "3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24" kwin(2086) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: Detected driver "nvidia" , version "195.36.24" kwin(2085) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL vendor is "NVIDIA Corporation" kwin(2085) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL renderer is "GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2" kwin(2085) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: GL version is "3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.24" kwin(2085) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detectDriverAndVersion: Detected driver "nvidia" , version "195.36.24" and titlebar appear - trivial: do you have a custom button setup with "no buttons" ;-) (alt+f3 or rmb on titlebar, "configure window behaviour...", "window decorations", "configure buttons .." I am running kde default (I dont know what it is byt I have not change such a ting) - what decoration do you use and does it fix with another decoration I am using default decoration. How to change my decoration? 1039959 5 thomas.luebking 2010-11-03 15:42:50 +0000 there's sth. severly broken. you're running (before the shell start) 3times kwin, probably started out of the crash manager of the fist one - yet you had no titlebar. Could you "manage" windows at all (ie. eg. pass the focus around by clicking into a window) Then after starting kwin from a shell, you get a titlebar (and buttons, i assume?) -> sth. broken about the startup process?! in case: please delete ~/.xsession-errors, logout/in, "cp ~/.xsession-errors ~/xsession.errors", "bzip ~/xsession.errors", (can grow pretty large) and attach it to the bug 1039985 6 53100 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 17:19:48 +0000 Created attachment 53100 xession log 1039986 7 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 17:23:08 +0000 Could you "manage" windows at all (ie. eg. pass the focus around by clicking into a window) I could do everything expect by using mouse (clicking in menus etc) but I could not change keyboard focus eg it stayed at the old window Then after starting kwin from a shell, you get a titlebar (and buttons, i assume?) You assume correct -> sth. broken about the startup process?! what is sth. and how can look up the startup process?? the log is attached as asked. I noticed that when login in that kwin was started uo on my screens with other programs from last sessions. When I changes "start with and empty session" instead of "restore previouse session" it did not start 1039992 8 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 17:36:12 +0000 This workaournd seems to work: start a console. type kwin --replace & (do not close console at this state. If I do that I will lose window decoration) Under "session managment" change to "restore manually saved session" Save that session. Relog close that console Save session 1040004 9 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 17:54:09 +0000 I released something about something about the solution above. "alt+tab" is sometime broken. If I use a program on screen 0 I get one of those reaktion: tapping as it t should be It tries to tab between windows on screen 2 but it cannot find any windows even that I have 2 konsole open If I have focus on one the the konsole on screen 2 and try to tab around I get: beer3@home:~$ | cp DISPLAY=:1 kwin --replace /tmp/.X11-unix/ & delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf -l -rf ~/.xsession-errors -Af DISPLAY=:0.1 grep ls rm ~/xsession.errors bzip DISPLAY=0:1 knsole nano startx bzip2 DISPLAY=:0.2 konsole ps su from the konsole. I dont know why 1040014 10 thomas.luebking 2010-11-03 18:45:22 +0000 (In reply to comment #7) > I could do everything expect by using mouse (clicking in menus etc) but I could > not change keyboard focus eg it stayed at the old window meaning "no" ;-) - kwin's just not up on start. from the error log it looks like a dbus issue, preventing the conncetion test of the KUniqueApplication constructor... > You assume correct so there's no problem with kwin, but "only" the invocation in the startup script (or it's environment) > what is sth. and how can look up the startup process?? "something" i had no clue about at that time ;-) > I noticed that when login in that kwin was started uo on my screens with other > programs from last sessions. When I changes "start with and empty session" > instead of "restore previouse session" it did not start yes, the sessionmanager comes up a bit later and since kwin (probably) didn't connect the screens dbus server it just gets restarted. this (likely) affects several "unique" applications like eg. kglobalaccel (global shortcuts) (In reply to comment #8) > type kwin --replace & (do not close console at this state. If I do that I will > lose window decoration) that's matter of shell configuration (though i don't think that it's bash default behaviour) you can have or not have it kill background jobs on exit (In reply to comment #9) > If I have focus on one the the konsole on screen 2 and try to tab around I get: > ... > from the konsole. I dont know why alt + tab does not work unless kwin (and kglobalaccel? actually don't know) is running what (presumingly) does not happen at that time, thus you probably get some sort of autocompletion?! -> does it work as expected after launching kwin (and "kglobalaccel") 1040020 11 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 19:13:09 +0000 I tried to launche 2 konsole on screen 1 and write those 2 commands kwin --replace & kglobalaccel Then I did the same thing on screen 2 and went back to screen 0 and tried to tab. and again it shows either *** no window*** on screen 1 or 2 (seems random witch one) or taped correctly it seems like 1/3 time on each case on screen 1 and 2 I still got that wired output from the konsole About the bash behaviour it must then be something debian people have done since I have not chanaged anything in .batchrc Do you need any more information from my computer ? 1040021 12 53102 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-03 19:14:45 +0000 Created attachment 53102 my bashrc in c ase you need it 1040053 13 thomas.luebking 2010-11-03 21:38:40 +0000 hmmmm... just tried to launch another KDE on screen :1 - no problem at all. (except kmail warned to be already running... blablahh) -> how exactly (and actually: why ;-) do you startup KDE on multiple screens? do you have problems when starting on screen, wait until done, start the second, wait until done, start the last? ----------- OT --------------------- i frankly don't know if this is configurable at all for bash. you can use "nohup <command> &" to get it to the bg and ignore sigterms or (afaik) use "<command> & disown" (but that's bash specific) ... or move to a less retarded shell ;-) (zsh for the nerds, fish mor my sister - with syntax highlightning. makes phone instructions MUCH simpler =) 1040150 14 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 06:59:29 +0000 -> how exactly (and actually: why ;-) do you startup KDE on multiple screens? do you have problems when starting on screen, wait until done, start the second, wait until done, start the last? There is 2 reason why I do it: I have 2 nvidia cards to power my 3 screens. Neither the open source or the close source driver support one x on all 3 screens. I got use to this settup during the days of kde 3 and liked it so much that I would like to keep it. how exactly do you startup KDE on multiple screens? I set my xorg up like it is with nvidia-settings and then "the system" handle the rest, eg I dont know how exacly it starts do you have problems when starting on screen, wait until done, start the second, wait until done, start the last? I know how to set my xorg up to just start on one screen but how can I start a KDE/xorg-thing from within a kde session? i frankly don't know if this is configurable at all for bash. you can use "nohup <command> &" to get it to the bg and ignore sigterms or (afaik) use "<command> & disown" (but that's bash specific) ... or move to a less retarded shell ;-) So if I inset "nohup <command> &"and "<command> & disown" into the button of my .bashrc it would help me either with my tap or my kwin problem? 1040153 15 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 07:30:20 +0000 if I enable Xinerama in my xorg file I dont have those problems, but then I loose 3d effects/desktop effects 1040268 16 thomas.luebking 2010-11-04 14:09:19 +0000 disclamer: i've _no_ experience with multiscreen or multihead setups (i only have 2 eyes and they always look the same direction ... =D ) a) don't use xinerama but nvidias twinview b) i think you'll have to use sli to get 3 displays on 2 gpus (since afaik rare nvidia gpu can handle > 2 displays at all), see: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/sli.html c) to launch a second X11 on a second screen, just run "X -screen <screen> :n", where "<screen>" is the identifier of the Xorg.conf configured screen ":n" is to target display id (likely ":2" in your case) ------ OT -------------- d) no, placing that there won't do anything. but if you call "nohup kwin --replace &" it won't be terminated when exiting the shell (aka "closing konsole"), thus "OT" ;-) 1040272 17 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 14:30:14 +0000 a: Is far as I know I can not use nvidias twinview sicne it can only handle one card (eg I can have 1 x on screen 1 and 2 (1 card) and leaving 1 x on screen 0 with one card). Or at least I cannot enable it trough the nvidida settings with current drives in debian (195.36.24) b: I dont know if I have ebabled sli or not. But I know that my preferet settings work on kde 3.5 (lenny), gnome 2.20 (lenny) and gnome 2.30 (squeeze) but not in kde 4 (but proper duel/triple head is getting closer after bug #156475 has been fixed, just a shame it took so long). As far as I know SlI would enable 2 cars to work on one screen witch I dont need. c: I will try it when I get home. Should I try that with my current setup (Eg with the xorg attached) or should I altered so I have only one x on screen 0? 1040278 18 thomas.luebking 2010-11-04 15:11:35 +0000 a) as mentioned in b) - i think this requires SLI - does it work with xinerama out of the box (1 screen, 2 GPUs, 3 displays?) b) sure you /really/ want dualhead with 2-3 independend X sessions (unable to move windows across the monitor)? afaik that's "just" for resource sharing (1 cpu / board / HDD + n GPUS / keyboards / mice -> n workplaces) c) with only one screen present. 1040280 19 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 15:38:26 +0000 a) If I enable xinerama there is some minor problems I can live with such as: Programs does not start on the intendent screen eg on the screen where I started them. The same thing for the "alt+f2"-tinghy (forgot the name of it) The major problem with xinerama is that I cannot use those fansy nice 3d effects that comes with kde. b) If there is a bether options I dont know if I would use that. I would always take the best option. As far as I know I have 3 options: Running kde 4 with xinerama enabled but without 3d effects. Running kde 4 without xinerama, but with 3d effects and with that little work around stated earlyer Running windows 7 with kde 4 apps Niether of those options are pefect but there is no major drawbacks either If someone can come op with a bether way please inlighten me c)I will be back with result within 1 to 1 1/2 hour with results from that test (going home soon, just need a little bid more) 1040318 20 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 16:53:31 +0000 c; I removed those 2 lines from ServerLayout Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" Screen 2 "Screen2" LeftOf "Screen0" then I did find the konsole and (as root) did write X -screen Screen1 :1 my primay screen (screen 0) went black and my screen 1 (the rightr one) went from standby to active but black was this intended behavous? 1040324 21 thomas.luebking 2010-11-04 17:05:56 +0000 yesno. you started an additional X server, but there's nothing running on it ;-) run "DISPLAY=:1 startkde" to launch a session on the 2nd server. sorry :-) but frankly: you'll need some help from ppl. knowing multihead / xinerama / twinview - and that's not me :-( 1040330 22 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 17:12:47 +0000 I should enter "DISPLAY=:1 startkde" after I have entered X -screen Screen1 :1 where both my screen is black? Instead of tweaking knowing multihead / xinerama / twinview do you know why I have problem with tabbing between windows? 1040337 23 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 17:29:17 +0000 My tapping problems that is already described occurs when I do enter kwin --replace & so I do have those 2 questions back: why can I not tab between windows after than command? Why does kwin not start on screen 1 and 2 as it should? 1040344 24 thomas.luebking 2010-11-04 17:37:52 +0000 yes :-P X -screen Screen1 :1 & sleep 10; DISPLAY=:1 startkde however i guess this will a) work and b) not be quite related to your problem since it will launch a second x server (like for multiple logins) while you had 3 screens on 1 server as mentioned: besides telling that there seems to be some issue on connecting dbus when launching additional kwin instances (for what reason ever...) i really can't help you from this point on (regarding multiscreen setups) sorry, but you'll have to wait for other input or ask somewhere else 1040353 25 thomas.luebking 2010-11-04 18:10:22 +0000 (In reply to comment #23) > My tapping problems that is already described occurs when I do enter > kwin --replace & > so I do have those 2 questions back: > why can I not tab between windows after than command? because either kwin and/or kglobalaccel are not running on that particular screen or didn't connect to the server. kglobalaccel has to be running _before_ kwin starts up (so in doubt & after launching kglobalaccel you'll have to restart kwin) > Why does kwin not start on screen 1 and 2 as it should? cause sth. at the startup process is broken, supposingly unique applications are launched by multiple instances and attempt to connect the wrong dbus server -> reassigning to ksmserver 1040384 26 jonas.vejlin 2010-11-04 20:30:07 +0000 I have been talking with some kwin devs on irc and they say that, they would proberbly not re-introduce things needed to use kwin in this kind of settup. Hes advice was to use another window manager than kwin. Just as you know if you ran into same problem as me 1040483 27 thomas.luebking 2010-11-05 00:37:11 +0000 Thanks alot for the info - though i doubt i'll ever run into this situation. 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