Bug 243705 - Dolphin timeline:// group by: typ make timeline:// protokoll ineffective/not usable
Summary: Dolphin timeline:// group by: typ make timeline:// protokoll ineffective/not ...
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: dolphin
Classification: Applications
Component: general (show other bugs)
Version: 16.12.2
Platform: Ubuntu Linux
: NOR wishlist
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Dolphin Bug Assignee
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Reported: 2010-07-06 00:01 UTC by Fabian B.
Modified: 2021-03-09 02:18 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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2010-07-06 00:01 UTC, Fabian B.
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Description Fabian B. 2010-07-06 00:01:53 UTC
Created attachment 48616 [details]
alphabetically 

Version:           unspecified (using Devel) 
OS:                Linux

i use the timeline more than the normal filesystem. because im not good in remember names. so im happy there is such a great feature (but you should promote it more.. anyway. the Problem is. in dolphin (or plasma, konqueror) if you set the group-by option to type. it set 1st type and second alphabetically. for timeline(the second and third stage: timeline:/calendar/ and timeline:/calendar/"month") cronological is the only wright thing. you can see it on my screenshot(its in german but you will see the problem). in this state it is not usable becaus i have to search more than 20 sekonds vor 1 file, even if i know the date. 

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
choose group-by: type

Actual Results:  
it sorts the folders in timeline:/calendar/ and timeline:/calendar/"month" alphabetically

Expected Results:  
it should sorts timeline:/calendar/ and timeline:/calendar/"month"  by date
Comment 1 Sebastian Trueg 2010-07-06 14:19:56 UTC
I dont think this can be solved in the Nepomuk part of things, ie. the kio slave. I think what we need here is an improved grouping: "group by foobar" in addition to "sort by "foobar".
Peter: would that be hard to add to Dolphin?
Comment 2 Peter Penz 2010-07-06 14:44:44 UTC
@Sebastian: I agree, I just wanted to keep you on CC in case that I might miss something. I think this can be fixed in Dolphin without touching kcategorizedview from kdelibs...
Comment 3 Janet 2010-11-01 15:27:47 UTC
Thanks for pointing me to the timeline mode, didn't know it exists because there neither is a toolbar button nor a menu entry for switching to it.

Does it really sort alphabetically? It does not sort by date as expected but it also does not sort alphabetically though it pretends to do so.

My folders in timeline mode, sorted by name, are sorted in the following "alphabetical" order: A F J M N O S... I have to manually sort by date to get the folders sorted like January, February,... but there is no option to sort them alphabetically as by name does not do it. Anyway: timeline mode always should switch to by date sorting (default but temporary: when you switch back to standard view the sorting should go back to alphabetically or what you had before you switched to timeline).

Will there be an optional button for the toolbar to switch to timeline mode?
Comment 4 Janet 2010-11-01 15:36:53 UTC
Oh boy! Of course that is alphabetical. I cannot mentally grab that it's alphabetical when I expect it to be sorted by month. In that case J comes before A for me because my brain expectes calendar mode where January equals 1 and April 4 instead of A=1 J=10 etc. How strange. Try to ignore that part of comment #3 :))
Comment 5 Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) 2012-08-24 16:19:49 UTC
Resetting assignee to default as per bug #305719
Comment 6 Frank Reininghaus 2012-11-01 18:38:01 UTC
I'm just reading this report for the first time and wonder what to do with it.

When grouping is enabled, the "sort role" and "group role" are equal, which means that if you group, e.g., by date, the sorting in each group will be by date as well. When you group by type, the type is obviously the same for all items in the group. In such cases, sorting by name is used as a fallback.

Now I see two ways how we could change this:

1) Make it possible to choose different roles for grouping and sorting. This would be quite a lot of work, and it would only be useful in corner cases such as the one which is discussed here. In other situations, it might actually confuse users. The harm might be bigger than the benefit.

2) Add some ugly hacks to the sorting code and check if all of the following conditions are met:

a) The timeline kioslave is being used.
b) Grouping is enabled.
c) Files are grouped and sorted by type.

And change the fallback sorting from "Name" to "Date" in that case.

Or maybe I'm getting something wrong here? In any case, this is not a bug, but a wish for me. IMHO, Dolphin behaves correctly. However, I see that it might make sense from a user's point of view to request a change considering this use-case.
Comment 7 Justin Zobel 2021-03-09 02:18:45 UTC
Thank you for the bug report.

As this report hasn't seen any changes in 5 years or more, we ask if you can please confirm that the issue still persists.

If this bug is no longer persisting or relevant please change the status to resolved.